Is infinity minus infinity equal to a finite number?

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The discussion revolves around the mathematical concept of infinity, specifically whether the expression x + (∞) + (-∞) = x can be considered true. Participants explore the implications of adding and subtracting infinity in the context of integrals and improper integrals, examining how these concepts apply to specific functions and their areas under curves.

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  • One participant questions if infinities can cancel in the expression x + (∞) + (-∞) = x, particularly in the context of integrals.
  • Another participant notes that the FAQ indicates this operation is undefined, yet suggests that a specific integral might yield a meaningful answer despite this.
  • A different participant argues against adding and subtracting infinity, emphasizing that it is an indeterminate form and suggesting the use of limits instead.
  • One participant expresses confusion about the behavior of the function 1/sin(x) over the interval from 0 to π, questioning how the area does not sum to infinity.
  • A later reply reiterates the confusion regarding improper integrals and suggests that understanding these concepts is crucial for addressing the original question.
  • Another participant presents a scenario with three functions, illustrating that the combined integral can yield infinity despite individual areas being finite or negative, challenging the notion that infinities can simply cancel out.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the treatment of infinity in mathematical expressions. There are multiple competing views regarding the validity of operations involving infinity, and the discussion remains unresolved.

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Participants express uncertainty regarding the application of limits and the behavior of specific functions in integrals, highlighting the complexity of dealing with infinity in mathematical contexts.

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Title says it all.. is: x+(∞)+(-∞) = x? true?

In the case of an integral broken up over three additions and one yields a number, one yields infinity, the other negative infinity, do the infinities cancel?
 
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The FAQ does say that it is undefined, but in the integral I am working on it should be possible to come up with an answer in the situation that causes it to arise.
 
You shouldn't ever try to add and subtract infinity (it's undefined really). This is one of those indeterminate forms that shouldn't be used. You should be taking the limit of the difference between the two integrals as you approach your bounds.

If you could tell us what you were integrating, that would help tremendously. Once the function is known, more specific help can be given to you.
 
I guess it's that I don't really understand how to use 0+ in the case of like, 1/sin(x), how does that area not add up to infinity? over the range of 0 - pi for instance
 
Zula110100100 said:
I guess it's that I don't really understand how to use 0+ in the case of like, 1/sin(x), how does that area not add up to infinity? over the range of 0 - pi for instance

Hey Zula110100100 and welcome to the forums.

Have you (or are you) doing improper integrals?
 
Clearly not. Take 3 functions, one a small bump function at the origin (with area, say, A), one which is |x|+1 and one which is -|x|.

The areas under the graphs of these 3 are A, ∞ and -∞, respectively. Add the functions together and then take the integral- the function will look like f(x)=1 almost everywhere and will have ∞ as the integral, not A.
 

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