Is Iron Truly the Heaviest Element Formed in Stars?

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The discussion revolves around the formation of elements in stars, specifically questioning whether iron is truly the heaviest element produced during stellar processes. Participants explore the processes of nucleosynthesis, including the s-process and r-process, and the conditions under which heavier elements, such as bismuth and uranium, are formed in stars and supernovae.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants explain that stars primarily produce elements up to iron through fusion processes during their lifetimes, with iron being the most stable element.
  • Others note that heavier elements, including bismuth, can be produced via the s-process in red giant stars, which occurs under different conditions than those present during core fusion.
  • It is mentioned that supernovae are responsible for producing heavier elements beyond iron, including uranium, through the r-process, which involves rapid neutron capture.
  • One participant emphasizes the stability of iron as a key factor in its production and survival compared to heavier elements, which tend to be produced in smaller quantities.
  • There is a clarification that the statement about iron being the heaviest element formed in stars refers specifically to fusion processes in the core, and does not account for the contributions of supernovae or the s-process.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that iron is the most stable and commonly produced element in stars, but there is disagreement regarding the characterization of iron as the heaviest element formed in stars, with multiple views on the roles of the s-process and r-process in producing heavier elements.

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The discussion highlights the complexity of nucleosynthesis processes and the conditions under which different elements are formed, indicating that the understanding of these processes may depend on specific definitions and contexts.

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I've been reading lately about the origin of the elements and their production in stars and I have a few questions. Let's start by the simple stuff, and correct me if I'm wrong.

When stars form and join the main-sequence they burn hydrogen to make helium.
At a certain stage when the hydrogen in the core is exhausted, depends on their mass, they turn into red giants and begin burning helium and make the heavier elements by carbon burning, neon burning, silicon burning. Elements up to iron can be produced like that.
If the star is massive enough, it will end its life in a supernova and form heavier (actinids, etc) elements in the r-process.
So far so good? I hope so.

I've also read that certain stars can make elements up to Bi by the s-process. Is this occurring in a supernova? If not, then why is it widely cited that Fe is the heaviest element to form in stars when in fact heavier up-tp-Bi elements can form?

Thanks for clearing up my confusion.
 
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You are right about the s-process producing the Bi element. As for the reason concerning the statements you mention having read, I don't know.

The S-process

The net result of this cycle therefore is that 4 neutrons are converted into one alpha particle, two electrons, two anti-electron neutrinos and gamma radiation:
The process thus terminates in bismuth, the heaviest "stable" element. (Bismuth is actually slightly radioactive, but with a half-life so long—a billion times the present age of the universe—that it is effectively stable over the lifetime of any existing star.)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S-process


Bismuth-209

In the red giant stars of the asymptotic giant branch, the s-process (slow process) is ongoing to produce bismuth-209 by neutron capture as the heaviest element to be formed. All elements heavier than it [Bismuth-209] are formed in the r-process, or rapid process, which occurs during the first fifteen minutes of supernovae.[4]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bismuth-209


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Fe is the limit of elements produced during the lifetime of a star undergoing a series of fusion reactions, H -> He -> C, O -> ... -> Fe.

Heavier elements are produced in Supernova explosions. It doesn't stop at Bi. Everything up to and maybe past U are also formed. Supernovae impart so much energy to their constituents that high energy fusion reactions occur.
 
Saying that the heaviest element that a star can produce is Fe is simply referring to the generation of elements by the fusion reactions in the core. (Which in itself is just simplifying things as isotopes of iron, nickel, zinc, and cobalt are all produced at the same time) The S-Process occurs under a different set of circumstances and depends on the initial content of iron in the star when it is initially formed, as iron is the starting material for the S-process.
 
All of the previous comments seem totally right on; but one thing I think is important, is the stability argument. My understanding is that, the primary determining factor is stability. Fe is (approximately) the most stable element (binding energy per nucleon). All elements below Fe tend to undergo fusion to grow towards Fe; elements higher than Fe tend to undergo fission to decay towards Fe.

Nucleosynthesis is a thermodynamic (i.e. stochastic) process, and thus all sorts of crazy stuff is going on. The more stable something is, the more it will be produced and survive. The 's' in 's-process' is for slow (neutron capture), which means that unstable elements/isotopes will have time to decay before capturing further neutrons. S-Process elements do exist, but in low quantities relative to iron.

The 'r' in 'r-process', on the other hand, is for rapid (neutron capture) which can cram neutrons onto nuclei fast enough to reach higher A/Z stable states. This only happens during supernovae (as said above), but is much more effective at producing heavier elements, especially nickel (which ends up being the primary source of optical emission in SN light curves).

In summary: you've got the right picture. Fe is referred to as the highest element produced in stars because its the highest element produced in significant quantities, but up to ~Bi occurs. Supernovae can produce elements up to and past U; but still Fe, and near-Fe elements are the most stable, and thus preferred.
 

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