Is it acceptable to work backwards in a show this problem?

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The discussion revolves around the appropriateness of working backwards in problems that ask participants to "show" a particular formula or equation. Participants explore the implications of different approaches, including direct derivation versus justification of a given answer, within the context of various problem types, such as differential equations and algebraic identities.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that in "show this" problems, it is generally expected to derive the formula directly rather than working backwards, as this reduces the risk of errors.
  • Others argue that if one can work backwards to show a solution, it should also be possible to demonstrate it forwards, particularly in simpler cases.
  • A participant mentions that plugging in values into an equation can be easier than conceptualizing the problem backwards.
  • One participant emphasizes that in specific cases, such as verifying a solution to a differential equation, working backwards is not only acceptable but may be the most efficient approach.
  • There is a discussion about the reversibility of steps in mathematical proofs, noting that some operations are reversible while others, like squaring both sides, are not.
  • Another participant introduces the concept of "synthetic" proof, where one starts from the conclusion and works backwards, provided all steps are reversible.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the appropriateness of working backwards in "show this" problems. While some advocate for a direct approach, others support the validity of working backwards under certain conditions. The discussion remains unresolved regarding a general rule applicable to all such problems.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the dependence on the specific problem type and the nature of the equations involved. The discussion highlights that not all problems allow for a straightforward application of working backwards, and the effectiveness of this method can vary significantly.

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Is it acceptable to work backwards in a "show this" problem?

In problems that ask you to "show" something (e.g. "show that the formula/equation for ____ is _____") , it it sufficient to simply justify the answer they give (working backwards to literally "show it"), or should one derive the formula, as if the answer were not there?

I know this depends on the problem, for example, an exercise that asks you show that a particular solution to an ODE is correct probably does not want you to solve the ODE. There are also cases in which it is impossible to work backwards. But, what is the general rule to these problems, if any?
 
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serllus reuel said:
In problems that ask you to "show" something (e.g. "show that the formula/equation for ____ is _____") , it it sufficient to simply justify the answer they give (working backwards to literally "show it"), or should one derive the formula, as if the answer were not there?

I know this depends on the problem, for example, an exercise that asks you show that a particular solution to an ODE is correct probably does not want you to solve the ODE. There are also cases in which it is impossible to work backwards. But, what is the general rule to these problems, if any?

I believe most questions like those expect you to proceed in a direct fashion (defining variables and manipulating them) to find the "target equation/answer".

That's probably almost always the case because if you work backwards, there's far more room for errors and you may potentially find yourself with the "wrong start" if you know what I mean.

Take for example something like Hess' law. Imagine trying to work the target equation backwards to find the 'x' many given equations and molar enthalpies. That's definitely harder than using the x many equations to find the target equation.
 
If you can work it backwards first you then should be able to then show it forwards. If they are just asking to show it is solution, plug it in I say!
 
I find it that it is easy to plug the variables into the equation. For example if you take the basic equation d=st, then rather than thinking in your brain backwards about numbers, plugging in is a lot easier.
 
serllus reuel said:
In problems that ask you to "show" something (e.g. "show that the formula/equation for ____ is _____") , it it sufficient to simply justify the answer they give (working backwards to literally "show it"), or should one derive the formula, as if the answer were not there?
If the goal of the exercise is as you state here, you should start with the given assumptions and work toward the formula or equation.
serllus reuel said:
I know this depends on the problem, for example, an exercise that asks you show that a particular solution to an ODE is correct probably does not want you to solve the ODE.
This is really a different question. Here you are given a differential equation and a purported solution. All you need to do is show that the solution that is provided satisfies the D.E. You do not need to solve the differential equation, and doing so is much more work than is asked for.
serllus reuel said:
There are also cases in which it is impossible to work backwards. But, what is the general rule to these problems, if any?
If you are asked to show that two equations are equivalent, then it might be possible to work backward from the equation you're supposed to end with, provided that each step you apply is reversible. For example, operations such as adding a certain quantity to both sides of the equation, multiplying both sides by the same nonzero number, and others are reversible steps. Squaring both sides, however, is not a reversible step.
 
This is sometimes called a "synthetic" proof: you start from the conclusion and work backwards to the hypothesis. As long as it is clear that every step is reversible that's a valid proof because we could go from hypothesis to conclusion by reversing each step.
 

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