Is it Possible for an Absolute Value Equation to Equal a Negative Number?

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The discussion centers on the question of whether an absolute value equation can equal a negative number, specifically examining the equation | x^2 + 4x | = -12. Participants explore the implications of absolute values in both real and complex number contexts.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions why there are no real numbers that satisfy the equation | x^2 + 4x | = -12 and suggests the possibility of complex solutions.
  • Another participant argues that there are no complex solutions either, explaining that the magnitude (absolute value) of any complex number is always a real and non-negative number.
  • Participants discuss the concept of measuring distance, asserting that absolute values represent distances which cannot be negative.
  • One participant introduces the idea of a negative sign in front of the absolute value, questioning if | a | = -a holds true for any real number a.
  • A later reply clarifies that whether a solution exists depends on the value of a, noting that if a is positive, there is one solution, but if a is zero or negative, no solutions exist.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that absolute values cannot equal negative numbers, but there is some debate regarding the implications of negative signs in front of absolute values and the conditions under which solutions may exist.

Contextual Notes

The discussion does not resolve the implications of negative signs in front of absolute values fully, and the conditions under which solutions exist remain nuanced and dependent on the values of the variables involved.

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Precalculus by David Cohen 3rd Edition
Chapter 1, Section 1.2.

Question 68, page 11.

Before typing the textbook question, I must say that I have not been able to find a satisfactory answer to absolute value equations that equal a negative number.

Question:

Explain why there are no real numbers that satisfy the equation | x^2 + 4x | = - 12.

Aside from the question above, can we say the answer is a complex number?
 
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RTCNTC said:
Precalculus by David Cohen 3rd Edition
Chapter 1, Section 1.2.

Question 68, page 11.

Before typing the textbook question, I must say that I have not been able to find a satisfactory answer to absolute value equations that equal a negative number.

Question:

Explain why there are no real numbers that satisfy the equation | x^2 + 4x | = - 12.

Aside from the question above, can we say the answer is a complex number?

Actually, there won't be any complex solutions, either. That's because, if $z$ is a complex number, its magnitude $|z|$ is defined to be the real number representing its distance from the origin. So, if $z=a+ib$, then $|z|^2=z \cdot \bar{z} = (a+ib)(a-ib)=a^2+b^2,$ which is real and non-negative. Therefore its square root, $|z|,$ will be also.

Conclusion: the result of taking the magnitude (absolute value) of any quantity, real or complex, is always a real number. Moreover, that real number is always non-negative. There are no exceptions to this rule, either in the real numbers or in the complex numbers.

Think of it this way: you want to measure the distance from one thing to another thing. So you get out your tape measure and measure the distance. Can you ever get a negative number as the result? No? Well, you can always think of any absolute value/magnitude as the distance from one thing to another, even if one of them is zero: $|x|=|x-0|=$ distance from $x$ to $0$. You can also look at the definition of the absolute value function:
$$|x|=\begin{cases}\!\!\!\!&\phantom{-}x,\quad x\ge 0 \\ \!\!\!\!&-x,\quad x<0 \end{cases}.$$
The result in either case is always non-negative.
 
What if there is a minus sign in front of the absolute value?

Let a be any real number.

- | a | = - a, right?

- | - a | = - (a) = - a, right?
 
RTCNTC said:
What if there is a minus sign in front of the absolute value?

Let a be any real number.

- | a | = - a, right?

- | - a | = - (a) = - a, right?

Almost. You can think of the minus sign as canceling: $|a|=a$. But now, whether there's a solution or not depends greatly on $a$. If $a>0$, there is one solution: $a$. The reason why $-a$ is not a solution is that you'd have to plug it in on both sides of the equation, including the RHS. But then you have a magnitude sign equal to a negative number, which can't happen. The same goes for if $a=0$, but of course there, you already know what $a$ is! If $a<0$, there is again no solution, for the reasons we've stated above.
 
Interesting ideas.
 

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