Is it possible for an electron to emit more than one photon during fluorescence?

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The discussion revolves around the fluorescence process, specifically addressing whether an electron can emit more than one photon during fluorescence and the implications for quantum yield. Participants explore concepts related to photon absorption, emission, and the factors influencing quantum yield, including non-radiative decay pathways.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants explain that fluorescence involves an electron transitioning from an excited state back to the ground state, emitting a photon, typically of longer wavelength due to energy loss.
  • There is a discussion about quantum yield being defined as the ratio of emitted photons to absorbed photons, with some participants noting that it can be less than 1 due to non-radiative decay pathways.
  • One participant expresses confusion regarding the definition of quantum yield and whether it should be based on emitted versus incident photons.
  • Another participant clarifies that quantum yield is influenced by the absorption spectrum and non-radiative decay processes, which can vary based on the chemical environment.
  • There is a question raised about the impossibility of achieving a quantum yield greater than 1, with a participant suggesting that an electron could emit two photons during its transition back to the ground state.
  • A later reply counters this by stating that the process described is backwards, indicating that two photons can be absorbed to produce one fluorescence photon, referencing phenomena like second harmonic generation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the definition of quantum yield and the existence of non-radiative decay pathways. However, there remains disagreement regarding the possibility of an electron emitting multiple photons during fluorescence, with competing views on the mechanisms involved.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the absorption and emission spectra are broad, and the probability of photon absorption can affect quantum yield. The discussion also touches on complex processes like two-photon microscopy and parametric oscillation, which may not be fully resolved in the context of the original question.

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Fluorescence occurs when an atom or molecule absorbs a photon, promoting a ground state electron to an excited state, and the electron returns very quickly to the ground state, emitting a new photon. The new photon is usually of a longer wavelength because some of the energy is lost to vibrational decay.

The quantum yield of the fluorescence process is the ratio of the number of photons emitted to the number absorbed. I have read several times now that the quantum yield can be less than 1, but not greater than 1.

I'm not really understanding this. First, I know that fractions of photons can't be emitted, so I'm assuming that to get a quantum yield of 0.5, for example, there must be multiple decay pathways back to the ground state. Say one is a decay that produces no photon, while another decay path is through photon emission, and they are equally likely. Is that right?

But then I run into another problem. Would it be impossible for an electron to decay by two successive radiation-producing drops in energy? That seems possible to me. The absorbed high-energy photon would then produce two lower energy photons. But that would give a quantum yield of two, which I've read is impossible.

In summary, I'm afraid that I have some fundamental misunderstanding of fluorescence that is confusing me. I haven't learned many details behind the process, so I'm not looking for a very technical explanation yet, although I do have an undergraduate background in quantum mechanics to work with. But it would be very much appreciated if someone could explain where my misunderstanding of the basics is leading me astray.

Thanks!
 
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Opus_723 said:
<snip>The quantum yield of the fluorescence process is the ratio of the number of photons emitted to the number absorbed. I have read several times now that the quantum yield can be less than 1, but not greater than 1.

I'm not really understanding this. <snip>

Remember that there's not a 100% chance that the atom/molecule will absorb a particular photon- the probability of absorption can be phrased in different ways ('transition strength' is another), but in essence the less likely a photon is absorbed, the lower the quantum yield.
 
That makes perfect sense. But in that case wouldn't the quantum yield be "emitted photons/incident photon" rather than "emitted photons/absorbed photon"?

I have always seen it defined the latter way.
 
Ah- I was confusing quantum yield with quantum efficiency. For your application, remember that the absorption spectrum (and emission spectrum) are broad- illuminating a fluorophore 'off resonance' will yield less fluorescence, and fluorophores can decay non-radiatively. Non-radiative decay rates are strongly influenced by the solvent (chemical environment). There are many non-radiative decay processes, two examples are collisions and FRET.

Lakowicz's book 'Principles of Fluorescence Spectroscopy' is excellent.
 
So it sounds like I was correct in my original post: quantum yields less than 1 occur because there are additional non-radiative decay pathways that occur with some probability. Thank you for confirming that.

In that case, I'd like to return to the second question from the original post. Why is it impossible to get a quantum yield greater than 1? After absorbing a high energy photon, why can't an electron emit two lower energy photons on its way back to the ground state?

I'll have to check out that book! Thanks for the reference.
 
Opus_723 said:
<snip>In that case, I'd like to return to the second question from the original post. Why is it impossible to get a quantum yield greater than 1? After absorbing a high energy photon, why can't an electron emit two lower energy photons on its way back to the ground state?

I'll have to check out that book! Thanks for the reference.

The process you describe is exactly backwards- two photons can be absorbed, resulting in 1 fluorescence photon. This is the basis of 2nd harmonic generation and two-photon microscopy.

What you describe is somewhat similar to parametric oscillation or 4-wave mixing, with one 'channel being the vacuum. Weird things happen- don't have a good reference on hand right now.
 

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