Is it possible to find our Sun's siblings?

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The discussion revolves around the possibility of identifying the Sun's sibling stars that formed in the same cluster, exploring the implications for understanding solar system formation and the characteristics of Earth-like planets. Participants consider both theoretical and observational aspects of this topic.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that the Sun formed as part of a star cluster, suggesting that its siblings may still exist and could be identified.
  • Others question the feasibility of tracing the Sun's origins due to the complexities of stellar motion over billions of years.
  • One participant mentions that star clusters produce a variety of stars, implying that not all stars formed in such clusters would be similar to the Sun.
  • Some argue that while finding the Sun's siblings could be interesting, there are many stars similar to the Sun that could host Earth-like planets, regardless of their formation history.
  • Another viewpoint emphasizes the importance of metallicity in the formation of solar systems capable of supporting Earth-like planets, suggesting that only systems with similar metallicity to the Sun could achieve this.
  • Several participants express differing opinions on the relationship between metallicity and the potential for Earth-like planets, with some believing that a wider variety of stars could also host such planets.
  • References to external sources and articles are shared to support various claims and to encourage further reading on the topic.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of opinions on the significance of the Sun's formation and its implications for finding similar solar systems. There is no consensus on the importance of metallicity or the likelihood of finding the Sun's siblings, indicating ongoing disagreement.

Contextual Notes

Discussions include assumptions about the nature of star clusters, the influence of metallicity on planet formation, and the challenges of tracing stellar origins, which remain unresolved.

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Readers interested in astrophysics, stellar formation, and the search for exoplanets may find this discussion relevant.

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As I understand it, our Sun formed as part of a cluster of stars, whose members have probably long since drifted apart. Is it possible we might be able to ever identify where those stars are now? Would they all be similar to the sun, having formed from the same cluster?
 
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Hi saro,
welcome to PF

Have you got any reviewed references to that?
It wasn't something I was aware of and would be interested in reading up on
If there are credible sources of info. :)

Cheers
Dave
 
Thank you.
Well, I have read many sources over the years that suggest our Sun was originally a member of a star cluster, but now I don't remember where I read these things. Information about Tau Ceti on Wikipedia suggests that our sun had a close encounter with another star early in it's lifetime that cleared it of much of it's debris, making life on Earth possible.
Also what led me to the question was this post here: https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=486208
 
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It would be exceedingly difficult to backtrack 4 billion years of stellar motion to determine where our Sun came from. Also, star clusters produce a varied amount of stars, from small brown and red dwarfs to huge supergiants. While I'm sure that the composition and size of the gas clouds that collapse to form the star clusters have some bearing on the types of stars formed, I don't think that they would form only stars of one type.
 
Thanks. I guess I was imagining that our sun formed from a giant molecular cloud that broke into many similar peices forming hundreds of stars just like our sun, now interspersed throughout the galaxy. I'd like to know who "Sol's" siblings are, where it originated and what happened to all those other stars. Perhaps if we could figure this out we might find other solar systems like ours, possibly with Earth like planets.
 
There are plenty of stars similar in mass and composition to the Sun. We don't need to find the ones that formed with the Sun in order to find similar star systems to ours. Actually, Earth-like planets might form around a great many different types of stars, not just Sun-like ones.
 
Thank you! I strongly disagree though. I believe the metallicity of the cloud that formed our sun had a great influence on the formation of solar systems with Earth like planets. I see it as a very delicate balance, and only solar systems with a metallicity nearly exactly that of our sun could possibly harbour Earth like planets.
However that is just my intuition.
 
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Thank you! I strongly disagree though. I believe the metallicity of the cloud that formed our sun had a great influence on the formation of solar systems with Earth like planets. I see it as a very delicate balance, and only solar systems with a metallicity nearly exactly that of our sun could possibly harbour Earth like planets.
However that is just my intuition.

Believe what you want. Personally I expect to see a great many types of planets, including Earth-like ones, around many stars. The next few years should prove VERY enlightening!
 
I very much like this discussion, even though we disagree. I expect the only Earth like planets will be found from molecular clouds nearly exactly like the one that formed our sun or the very one that formed it. Indeed, the next few years will be quite enlightening. Cheers.
 
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The March/April Issue of Science Illustrated has a cover story on this subject.
 
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Open clusters are relatively short lived. A few trips around the galaxy tends to widely disperse them.
 
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saros said:
Thank you! I strongly disagree though. I believe the metallicity of the cloud that formed our sun had a great influence on the formation of solar systems with Earth like planets. I see it as a very delicate balance, and only solar systems with a metallicity nearly exactly that of our sun could possibly harbour Earth like planets.
However that is just my intuition.

Hope so, as the sample of exoplanets goes larger, more details about planets can be revealed. If your idea is reasonable, there may be more similarities between stars having planets possible of forming life.
 

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