Is it true that objects cannot touch each other?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the concept of whether objects can truly touch each other, particularly in the context of electromagnetic forces and particle interactions. It explores theoretical implications, definitions of contact, and the nature of particles at microscopic scales.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that objects do not actually touch due to the repulsion between electrons, referencing a video by Professor Philip Moriarty that discusses the equilibrium of forces at contact points.
  • There is a notion that without electromagnetic forces, the structure of matter would be fundamentally different, leading to questions about the existence of Earth and the nature of matter itself.
  • Philosophical questions arise regarding the definitions of "particle," "touching," and "volume," with some arguing that fundamental particles are point-like and do not occupy space in a traditional sense.
  • One participant summarizes the video’s points, emphasizing that the everyday definition of contact does not apply at microscopic scales and that the interactions are more complex than simple repulsion.
  • Questions are raised about the meaning of "interaction" in the context of electromagnetic forces, indicating a desire for deeper understanding of the processes involved.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of contact and interaction at microscopic levels, with no consensus reached on the definitions or implications of these concepts.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations regarding the assumptions made about particle behavior and the definitions of contact, which may vary based on context and scale. The discussion reflects a range of interpretations and philosophical considerations without resolving these complexities.

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Some scientists say that objects do not actually touch each other since the electrons repel each other. And here is a video where a physics Professor (Philip Moriarty) explains the touching process between objects as the contact point where the attracting and repelling forces reach an equilibrium :



What is your opinion about it?
 
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If there wasn't a thing like electromagnetic forces, we would likely fall into Earth since most of matter is simply empty space.
 
Actually there would be no Earth to fall thru. Plasma perhaps?
 
Sure, you get into all kinds of questions about "what is a particle", "what is touching", "what is the volume of a particle", etc. Many of these questions can take on a philosophical element.

Generally, fundamental particles - such as an electron - are considered as points without any internal structure. When considered in that manner, they have no volume. For all practical purposes, they could never interact by virtue of occupying the same space. However, particles manifest field effects. Those account for the impression of a particle having a size, and being able to interact with other particles.
 
houlahound said:
Actually there would be no Earth to fall thru. Plasma perhaps?
Yes. And at the end of those thoughts there won't be much left of our universe as we know it. IMO @DrChinese has said everything that can be said about it.
 
Any opinion about the video I sent?
 
buket80 said:
Any opinion about the video I sent?
The video makes valid points. Both Moriarty's and Brady's (i.e., the man behind the camera) imputs are important here.
I'd summarize it as follows:
1. The everyday definition of contact, as vague as it is, can be thought of as: 'I can't put anything in-between two touching objects', or maybe something like 'solids are making continuous whole'
2. This definition can't be applied to microscopic objects even in principle.
3. There is a very precise definition of contact used in physics.
4. Whenever you hear 'there's no contact, it's actually repulsion', it is meant to convey that the first definition can't be applied to microscopic scales and the actual interaction is similar to that of e.g. magnets repelling.
5. But you should keep in mind that it's just a rough analogy, intended for the very narrow goal specified above, and the actual interactions are more complicated. I'd compare it to the case of teaching people about the Bohr's model of an atom: it's patently wrong, and if one's serious about physics, it needs to be unlearned at some point. However, if you don't know anything about how atoms are made, it's a nice, handy, easy to digest visualisation that conveys some valid points.
 
What does interaction of electromagnetic forces mean? What is exactly meant by interaction here?
 
What exactly is meant by interaction of electromagnetic forces? What happens during this process?
 
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