Is it worth taking examinations that don't require hands-on practice?

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The discussion revolves around the value of taking examinations that do not require hands-on practice, particularly in the context of certifications related to programming and technical skills. Participants explore the implications of such certifications on job prospects and the importance of practical experience in the field.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses concern about the lack of hands-on exercises in the recommended textbook for a certification, questioning its worth given their inexperience as a programmer.
  • Another participant argues that proficiency in a computer operating system cannot be fully assessed through a written test, suggesting that practical components are essential for examinations.
  • A participant shares a personal anecdote about a fresh graduate's failure to integrate software due to a lack of practical experience, emphasizing the need for real equipment handling in examinations.
  • Counterpoints are raised regarding the value of certifications, with one participant noting that hiring managers may assign value to certifications regardless of their actual assessment of competency.
  • Another participant draws an analogy between the patent bar exam and a written driver's test, highlighting the absence of a practical component in some certifications.
  • Concerns are raised about the variability in certification requirements across different fields, particularly in emergency medical services, where some states do not require hands-on testing for recertification.
  • Discussion includes reflections on the hiring manager's role in the hiring process and the implications of inadequate training and review practices for new graduates.

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Participants express differing views on the necessity of hands-on practice in examinations, with some advocating for its importance while others suggest that certifications can still hold value in the job market. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the overall effectiveness of certifications without practical components.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in the current certification frameworks, including the lack of hands-on components and the variability in requirements across different fields. There is also mention of the potential disconnect between certification and actual job readiness.

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This is the examination that I am considering taking.

https://www.lpi.org/our-certifications/linux-essentials-overview

I have skimmed the recommended textbook for a bit. But it's incredibly dense and scarce on hands-on exercises. I'm wondering if it is worth pursuing this certificate, if it doesn't require me to do a lot on my end. It requires me only to know the terms, and the technical know-how, which I admit is beyond my scope as an inexperienced programmer.

I've looked at another certification on the website that looks to be more within my scope.

https://www.lpi.org/our-certifications/linux-essentials-overview

I am considering investigating that one. But the official textbook recommended by the official website seems to suffer from the same problem of not having any projects to work on. Is it worth going through such a curriculum, with so much reading, note-taking, and with so few opportunities to apply learned knowledge? I would much prefer a project-based curriculum. On the other hand, it would be something to add to my pathetic excuse for a resume. Although, if I've no professionally-reviewed projects to show-off to potential employers, I wonder what the point of it would even be.

I was considering enrolling in courses that do offer opportunities to get hands-on practice. But as I am low on funds... In any case, I am aware that it sounds like I've made up my mind already on the matter. But I do welcome further input on these sorts of programs, and if I'm mad and/or delusional for trying to chase more pieces of paper, while pretending that they will make any difference in my job prospects.
 
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Both your links are the same!
 
Maybe I misunderstand something about this taking examination to prove ones' proficiency. Such a thing as skill and proficiency with some computer operating system cannot really be done completely in a written multiple choice test. Some parts must be as a practical component. Handle Real Equipment needs to be part of the examination.
 
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A short true story about hands-on experience:

I was on a 3-year Industrial Control project when another small project came in. The new project was for a table-top device with the hardware controlled by a microprocessor and networked to other devices.

A newly graduated programmer was hired for the programming. The software was completed in a few months and the programmer left the job. A month or so later the hardware/software integration began... and stretched on-and-on.

When I asked the project engineer what was going on, the problem became clear.
He stated that he "Had to rewrite the whole thing."

The programmer wrote the whole package just like he completed assignments in college; that is every assignment is a standalone project.

Every function/routine was essentially correct but for various reasons could NOT be integrated into a coherent, functioning structure to operate the hardware!

At least there was reasonable base to build from, so it took only a few extra weeks for completion.

THAT seems to be a major reason the first jobs of fresh graduates are so short term.

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So yes. @symbolipoint said it well:
symbolipoint said:
Some parts must be as a practical component. Handle Real Equipment needs to be part of the examination.

Cheers,
Tom

Addendum: Maybe you can scare up a part time job as an intern to build that experience.
 
A bit of counterpoint. A certification has value if hiring managers (or clients) assign it value, regardless of whether the certification is dispositive of competency and proficiency or not.

Here's one example from my personal experience. In the US, to become a registered patent agent or patent attorney, you must pass the patent bar exam administered by the USPTO (US Patent and Trademark Office). The current exam is a computer-based, multiple-choice exam. It tests your knowledge of the MPEP (Manual of Patent Examining Procedure). Primarily based on rote memorization of abstruse, arcane rules and regulations. Logical analysis required is that of a competent high school junior or senior. Note that passing the patent bar exam allows you to represent clients in patent matters before the USPTO. No actual experience in drafting patent applications and responding to office actions is required. No apprenticeship or internship under the guidance of a senior registered practitioner is required (as in some other countries).

The analogy I use is that of the written driver's test in the US. To get your learner's permit, you must first pass a test on the rules of the road. Once you have your learner's permit, you gain actual driving experience under the guidance of a licensed driver. Then you need to pass an actual driving (road) test to get your driver's license.

So, the patent bar exam is really akin to the written driver's test, with the important distinction that there's no equivalent to a subsequent actual road test. There are exams in other fields that are also analogous to "rules of the road" exam, some with and some without a subsequent analogous "actual road test". You need to evaluate each individually for what (if any) value they confer. Even if they appear to be worthless, you shouldn't dismiss them by default either.
 
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Tom.G said:
A short true story about hands-on experience:
What if any were the consequences for the hiring manager? Your story also shows that the company was deficient in its hiring and training practices for fresh grads, as well as deficient in project review practices. The fresh grad was not solely at fault here.
 
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CrysPhys said:
It tests your knowledge of the MPEP (Manual of Patent Examining Procedure). Primarily based on rote memorization of abstruse, arcane rules and regulations. Logical analysis required is that of a competent high school junior or senior
Yikes, that sounds painful. For Medics and EMTs there is plenty of memorization involved, although it's usually of inter-related systems in Anatomy/Physiology and Patient Assesment Protocols so things tend to reinforce each other and help to make overall sense. We take long written tests and long computer-based multiple-choice exams as part of our certification and re-certifications every 2 years. But there are also many hands-on tests that you have to pass in those exam periods, and if you fail those, you lose your license.

Now in my latest re-certification cycle earlier this year, because of COVID restrictions my classroom recert classes were online with an instructor and students from all over the US. That's when I learned that in many states they do not require the hands-on portion of the EMT/Medic recert exams. I find that hard to believe based on my field experience here in California, but whatever. Glad that I don't live in one of those states...

https://emsa.ca.gov/emt/

https://emsa.ca.gov/wp-content/uploads/sites/71/2017/07/Skills-Form-7.1.17.pdf
 
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What if any were the consequences for the hiring manager? Your story also shows that the company was deficient in its hiring and training practices for fresh grads, as well as deficient in project review practices. The fresh grad was not solely at fault here.
The Hiring manager was the company Owner.
Therefore I believe the consequences was owner education. (generally a good thing)
 

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