Is Lorentz Ether Theory a Viable Alternative to General Relativity?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the viability of Lorentz Ether Theory (LET) as an alternative to General Relativity (GR). Participants explore historical perspectives, modern interpretations, and implications of non-locality in quantum mechanics, as well as the philosophical ramifications of these theories.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that Lorentz Ether Theory was favored by H.E. Lorentz over Einstein's theories, suggesting it may provide a better interpretation of special relativity.
  • There are mentions of various modern efforts to generalize LET, including contributions from Herbert Ives, John Bell, and others, particularly in relation to non-locality and its implications for simultaneity.
  • One participant argues that non-locality allows for the possibility of absolute simultaneity, challenging Einstein's synchronization convention based on light signals.
  • Another participant counters that the concept of instantaneous influences is a misunderstanding of quantum non-locality, emphasizing that correlations observed in entangled particles do not imply instantaneous signaling.
  • Some participants express skepticism about the necessity of abandoning Einstein's interpretation, arguing that both Lorentz and Einstein make identical predictions for experiments, thus lacking experimental justification for favoring one over the other.
  • There is a proposal that LET may be preferred due to a "preferred foliation" revealed through experiments demonstrating non-locality, suggesting that Lorentz transformations remain useful even if instantaneous action at a distance is accepted.
  • One participant discusses the philosophical implications of the block universe interpretation of spacetime, expressing concerns about the consequences for free will and the nature of time.
  • Another participant seeks clarification on the relationship between measurement order in quantum experiments and the implications for simultaneity, questioning the interpretations of results presented by others.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views, with no consensus on the viability of LET as an alternative to GR. Disagreements persist regarding the interpretation of quantum non-locality and its implications for simultaneity, as well as the philosophical interpretations of these theories.

Contextual Notes

Some claims rely on specific interpretations of quantum mechanics and the philosophical implications of relativity, which may not be universally accepted. The discussion includes unresolved questions about the nature of simultaneity and the validity of various theoretical frameworks.

  • #151
Dale, to be blunt: I don't see any productive reason to continue this dialogue. I have stated over and over again that LET and SR are far more than just the Lorentz transformations. If you disagree with that, as you apparently do, let's simply agree to disagree and move on.
 
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  • #152
Dmitry, 1 and 2 are consistent b/c of what I have stated many times: LET and SR are about more than just length contraction and time dilation. As with Dale, if you don't agree with this, let's just agree to disagree and move on.
 
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