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The discussion revolves around the concept of mass in the context of quantum mechanics, particularly whether mass can be considered "uncertain" similar to other properties of particles such as position and momentum. The scope includes theoretical implications and interpretations of the uncertainty principle.

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  • Some participants propose that mass is uncertain and relate it to the uncertainty principle, suggesting that a particle's lifetime affects the definiteness of its mass.
  • One participant argues that the mass of a particle is a well-defined quantity, regardless of its lifetime, and provides examples of short-lived particles like W and Z bosons to support this view.
  • Another participant questions whether the measurement time affects the accuracy of mass measurements, indicating a potential link between measurement duration and uncertainty.
  • A participant notes that electrons have a very definite mass due to their indefinite lifetime, contrasting with the indefinite mass of short-lived particles.

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Participants express differing views on whether mass can be considered uncertain. While some support the idea of mass uncertainty linked to particle lifetime, others maintain that mass is a precisely defined quantity.

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The discussion includes assumptions about the relationship between particle lifetime and mass definiteness, as well as the implications of measurement time on mass accuracy. These aspects remain unresolved.

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Is mass something that is "uncertain"?

I do not know much quantum mechanics, so I apologize in advance if this question does not make much sense. Since the values of a particle, such as its position, momentum, polarization, and so on are confined by the uncertainty principle, then is mass also something that is "uncertain"?
 
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fillyt said:
I do not know much quantum mechanics, so I apologize in advance if this question does not make much sense. Since the values of a particle, such as its position, momentum, polarization, and so on are confined by the uncertainty principle, then is mass also something that is "uncertain"?

Yes. The general idea is that there is a relation between the lifetime of a particle and how definite its mass is. The more definite the lifetime, the less definite the mass. The less definite the lifetime, the more definite the mass. It is believed that an electron has a completely indefinite lifetime -- it never decays spontaneously -- so it has a perfectly definite mass. Most "exotic" particles have a very short lifetime, like a trillionth of a second, so the lifetime has a very definite length and they have an indefinite mass.

Then there is the muon, which has a lifetime of 2.2 microseconds with quite a small uncertainty. But the uncertainty is much larger than it is for the trillionth second particles so the mass also falls in a small range. I always wondered what was going on inside this tiny timebomb.
 


Oh ok, thank you. Does this have anything to do with the fact that it takes time to make a measurement of mass, and the less time you have to measure it, the less accurate the measurement?
 


I disagree with the previous answer. The mass of a particle is a perfectly well-defined quantity, even if the particle has a short lifetime. It's true there will be a spread in energy for a sequence of observations, but the particle's rest mass is defined to be the central value, and may be precisely determined.

W and Z bosons, for example are very short-lived. The lifetime of the Z boson is about 10-25 sec, making its width or spread in energy about 2.5 GeV. Nevertheless its rest mass is currently quoted as 91.1876 ± 0.002 GeV. In fact it is important to obtain the rest masses of the W and Z quite accurately, since they relate directly to ΘW, the weak mixing angle.
 


Oh I see. That's what my initial guess was. So does that mean that something like an electron has a very small spread in energy?
 

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