Is My Approach Correct for SN1 Reactions of Cyclic Ethers?

  • Thread starter Thread starter baldbrain
  • Start date Start date
  • Tags Tags
    Cyclic Reactions
Click For Summary
SUMMARY

The discussion centers on the stability of carbocations in SN1 reactions of cyclic ethers, specifically comparing two molecules, (a) and (b). The consensus is that molecule (b) is favored due to the presence of a better leaving group (-Br) and an acidic α hydrogen, which enhances its reactivity with weak nucleophiles. The importance of carbocation stability, influenced by hyperconjugation and the interaction of σ electrons with adjacent π orbitals, is emphasized as a critical factor in determining the reaction pathway.

PREREQUISITES
  • Understanding of SN1 and SN2 reaction mechanisms
  • Knowledge of carbocation stability and hyperconjugation
  • Familiarity with the properties of leaving groups
  • Basic concepts of cyclic ether chemistry
NEXT STEPS
  • Study the factors affecting carbocation stability in organic reactions
  • Learn about the role of leaving groups in nucleophilic substitution reactions
  • Explore hyperconjugation and its effects on molecular stability
  • Investigate the differences between SN1 and SN2 mechanisms in detail
USEFUL FOR

Chemistry students, organic chemists, and anyone studying reaction mechanisms in organic chemistry will benefit from this discussion.

baldbrain
Messages
236
Reaction score
21
20180608_212700.jpg

The Attempt at a Solution


Firstly, since -Br is the better leaving group among the three, it's either (a) or (b). Further, since -Br is present at α position in (b), which also has an acidic α hydrogen to the same carbon, it would react better with a weak nucleophile (favouring SN1) than in (a). So, the answer's (b). But is my line of action correct?
 

Attachments

  • 20180608_212700.jpg
    20180608_212700.jpg
    13 KB · Views: 1,005
Physics news on Phys.org
baldbrain said:
But is my line of action correct?
Not quite. If I had to guess, this question is really asking about carbocation stability. Your leaving group analysis is fine. So out of a and b, which carbocation is more stable?
 
  • Like
Likes   Reactions: baldbrain, Ygggdrasil and jim mcnamara
TeethWhitener said:
Not quite. If I had to guess, this question is really asking about carbocation stability. Your leaving group analysis is fine. So out of a and b, which carbocation is more stable?
Well, I can't really decide.
Is molecule (a) more stable because of separation of charges, or, is (b) more stable due to the highly polar C-O bond?
 
Why is a tertiary carbocation more stable than a primary one? (ignoring steric considerations)
 
Hyperconjugation
 
baldbrain said:
Hyperconjugation
Which is?
 
TeethWhitener said:
Which is?
Interaction of σ electrons in an adjacent empty π orbital.
 
baldbrain said:
Interaction of σ electrons in an adjacent empty π orbital.
Oh, so you mean the σ electrrons of the oxygen would interact with the π orbital of the carbocation, hence leading to more stability?
 
  • Like
Likes   Reactions: TeethWhitener
baldbrain said:
Oh, so you mean the σ electrrons of the oxygen would interact with the π orbital of the carbocation?
Yes.
 
  • #10
TeethWhitener said:
Yes.
Ok. Thanks
 
  • #11
@TeethWhitener you didn't reply to my last question on 'How can any of these give the same SN1 & SN2 product'. I'd asked your advice on something
 
  • #12
What question?
 
  • #13
All my concepts are quite clear, but I still **** up during exams (probably due to haste). I also solve a lot of problems, and I can get them quicker when there's no time limit. That ticking clock makes me feel like a guillotine will behead me any moment.
Sometimes, even the opposite happens. I get the good problems, and **** up the easy ones. Can you give me some advice regarding this?
 
  • #14
I don't know if I’m the best one to give advice. Practice is the most important thing. People make mistakes occasionally. If you really understand a concept, then the number of mistakes will drop over time and become a kind of random noise. If you make an undue number of mistakes with particular concepts, it means you don’t quite understand it and you should seek outside help.
 
  • Like
Likes   Reactions: jim mcnamara
  • #15
TeethWhitener said:
I don't know if I’m the best one to give advice. Practice is the most important thing. People make mistakes occasionally. If you really understand a concept, then the number of mistakes will drop over time and become a kind of random noise. If you make an undue number of mistakes with particular concepts, it means you don’t quite understand it and you should seek outside help.
All Right. Thank you again
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
2K
  • · Replies 25 ·
Replies
25
Views
5K
  • · Replies 6 ·
Replies
6
Views
2K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
5K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
6K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
8K
  • · Replies 28 ·
Replies
28
Views
5K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
3K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
3K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
7K