Is my Rolling Body Mechanics Solution Correct?

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The discussion revolves around a mechanics problem involving a rolling body, specifically focusing on the relationships between velocities, momentum, and angular motion. Participants are analyzing the equations related to energy conservation and the non-slipping condition of the rolling body.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • Participants discuss the definitions of velocities relative to the ground and the incline, questioning the correctness of the momentum equations presented. There is an exploration of the implications of relative velocities and the conditions for non-slipping motion.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing insights and questioning the assumptions made in the original equations. Some guidance has been offered regarding the interpretation of velocities and their directions, leading to a realization about the correct reference frame for the velocities involved.

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There is an indication that the problem may involve complexities related to relative motion and the definitions of the variables, which are under scrutiny. Participants are also considering the implications of the problem's setup on the equations being used.

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Homework Statement


In the picture ,problem 8.29

Homework Equations


Energy conservation ,velocity relation ,momentum

The Attempt at a Solution


First i defined the speed of the body relative to the ground as Vb and speed of plane relative to the ground as Vp.
From momentum ,VbcosΘ=-Vp .From the non slipping condition ,ωR-Vb=VpcosΘ.This relation seems to be wrong ,the correct aswer is (Vp+VbcosΘ)/cosΘ=ωR which I am incapable of explaining.I also included my work in the pictures
 

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Carbon123 said:
First i defined the speed of the body relative to the ground as Vb and speed of plane relative to the ground as Vp.
From momentum ,VbcosΘ=-Vp .
Shouldn't the masses show up in the momentum equation? Also, VbcosΘ is not the horizontal component of the velocity of the ball relative to the ground since Vb does not make an angle Θ to the horizontal. The velocity of the ball relative to the ground is not in the same direction as the velocity of the ball relative to the incline. You will need to think carefully about relative velocities in this problem.

From the non slipping condition ,ωR-Vb=VpcosΘ.This relation seems to be wrong ,the correct aswer is (Vp+VbcosΘ)/cosΘ=ωR which I am incapable of explaining.I also included my work in the pictures
I don't think either of these two equations is correct.
 
Carbon123 said:
(Vp+VbcosΘ)/cosΘ=ωR
As TSny wrote, that is incorrect, if Vp is as you have defined it. But it does contain some useful pointers.
In the context of the question, what physical entity does ωR represent?
What about ωRcosΘ?
The signs on the velocities depend how the variables are defined. Are they positive in the same direction or in opposite directions?
Are you sure the text isn't defining Vp as a relative velocity?
 
Yes I realized that the velocity relative to the plane is the one that points along the plane ,not the velocity relative to the ground ,and everything makes sense now.Thank you so much !
 

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