Is n congruent to 1 mod 5 if n is congruent to 6 mod 5?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of modular arithmetic, specifically examining whether n is congruent to 1 mod 5 given that n is congruent to 6 mod 5. Participants explore the implications of congruences and the definitions involved in modular relationships.

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  • Participants question how to express 6 in terms of congruence mod 5 and what values are permissible for x in this context. There is also an inquiry into the meaning of congruence and its implications for the relationship between n and x.

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The discussion has progressed with participants providing algebraic reasoning to support their claims about congruences. There is an ongoing inquiry into related concepts, such as the nature of congruences involving perfect squares, indicating a productive exploration of the topic.

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Participants are navigating definitions and implications of modular arithmetic, with some expressing doubts about assumptions made regarding congruences and their properties.

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Homework Statement


if n is congruent to 6 mod 5
then n is congruent to 1 mod 5?

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The Attempt at a Solution


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This is not a problem. It's a doubt that I have
 
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TheMathNoob said:

Homework Statement


if n is congruent to 6 mod 5
then n is congruent to 1 mod 5?

Homework Equations

The Attempt at a Solution


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This is not a problem. It's a doubt that I have
Can you write 6 as congruent to x mod 5? What is x?
 
ehild said:
Can you write 6 as congruent to x mod 5? What is x?
x is a number between 0 and 5
 
What does it mean that a number n is congruent to x mod 5?
 
ehild said:
What does it mean that a number n is congruent to x mod 5?
5 divides n-x
 
TheMathNoob said:
5 divides n-x
Yes, but you said that x must be between 0 and 5. Which number is x if n=6?
 
TheMathNoob said:
5 divides n-x
ehild said:
Yes, but you said that x must be between 0 and 5. Which number is x if n=6?
I got it by algebra 5 divides n-6 so n-6=5k, n=5(k+1)+1, so 5 divides n-1 which implies n is congruent to 1 mod 5. I am having another inquiry with my friend. He claims that 16 is not congruent to 2 mod 7 because he thinks that a^2 congruent to b mod n implies that b has to be a perfect square. Is that correct?
 
TheMathNoob said:
I got it by algebra 5 divides n-6 so n-6=5k, n=5(k+1)+1, so 5 divides n-1 which implies n is congruent to 1 mod 5.
Correct.
TheMathNoob said:
I am having another inquiry with my friend. He claims that 16 is not congruent to 2 mod 7 because he thinks that a^2 congruent to b mod n implies that b has to be a perfect square. Is that correct?

a congruent to b mod n implies that a=kn+b. It follows that a2=(kn+b)2=k2n2+2knb+b2. If you divide that by n, the remainder is b2. But that remainder can be greater than n. It is the case with your example. 16 = 42, and 4 is 4 mod 7, so k=0, and b2=16. You have to do the division further to get 16 = 2*7+2. 16 is congruent to 2 mod 7.
 

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