Is neutron-neutron fusion easier to facilitate than proton-proton

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The discussion revolves around the feasibility of neutron-neutron (n-n) fusion as a potential energy source, comparing it to proton-proton fusion. Participants explore theoretical aspects, challenges in experimental observation, and the implications of neutron properties in fusion processes.

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Main Points Raised

  • Radium suggests that n-n fusion could be easier than proton-proton fusion due to the neutral charge of neutrons, potentially requiring less energy for fusion.
  • Another participant notes that even if n-n fusion were possible, significant challenges exist, such as the inability to accelerate neutrons due to their neutrality and the lack of methods to contain them.
  • A paper is referenced that discusses the theoretical possibility of n-n fusion but indicates that observing such a reaction would be extremely difficult.
  • Concerns are raised about measuring n-n scattering, with conflicting values reported for the scattering length, which could affect the understanding of charge symmetry in neutron interactions.
  • Jonathan Thornburg points out that the dineutron is unstable, suggesting that the n-n fusion reaction would not serve as an energy source since it absorbs energy rather than releasing it.
  • Another participant challenges Thornburg's dismissal of n-n fusion by referencing a different reaction pathway that could potentially allow for n-n fusion, indicating that the discussion is not settled.

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Participants express differing views on the viability of n-n fusion as an energy source, with some arguing against its feasibility due to instability and energy absorption, while others propose alternative pathways and challenge the conclusions drawn about its potential.

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The discussion highlights limitations in current understanding and measurement techniques related to neutron interactions and fusion, as well as the dependence on theoretical models that may not yet be experimentally validated.

Green Xenon [Radium]
Hi:

Neutron-neutron fusion is an example of nuclear fusion because neutrons
are nucleons. Is it possible to solve the energy crisis using
neutron-neutron fusion? Can this fusion be used to generated sufficient
amounts of power? One advantage to neutron-neutron fusion over H-H
fusion is that, neutrons don't have charge. Unlike protons which are
positively charged and repel each other, neutrons are neutral so it
shouldn't require nearly as much energy to fuse neutrons as to fuse protons.

I've searched on other internet about neutron-neutron fusion, however, I
haven't received anything about its use for energy. All that show up are
neutron beams. Why?

Happy Holidays,

Radium
 
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I have never heard of n-n fusion. However, even if such a reaction was possible, there would be serious difficulties. The two major fusion for energy apporaches are plasma and laser compression.
For the plasma, the key is getting the particles (H2+ or H3+) going fast enough to collide and fuse. A toroidal array of magnets is needed to accelerate these particles - there is no comparable method of accelerating neutrons, because they are neutral.
For the laser, the target consisting of H2 and H3 inside a spherical container. The target is then zapped by an array of laser beams which simultaeously heat and compress the target and induce fusion. There is no way to collect neutrons and put them in a container.
 
The theoretical possibility of n-n fusion is considered in this paper:

http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/nucl-th/pdf/0507/0507048v2.pdf

but the author states that it would be enormously difficult to observe. BTW, this paper was published in Physics Letters B,
Volume 633, Issues 2-3, 9 February 2006, Pages 253-259.
 
Another note on this subject - let's put fusion aside for the moment, and just think about n-n scattering. The scattering length, a fundamental parameter in defining the scattering cross section, has not been yet measured directly for free neutron scattering. Indirect measurement gives conflicting values of -18.6 fm and -16.5 fm. Whether charge symmetry is broken or conserved depends on which of these values is correct, for example. Measurement for free neutrons is possible, in principle, but difficult to do. Free neutrons are unstable, with a half-life of about 15 minutes, so one is not able to prepare a fixed neutron target. You have to work with beams. Because neutrons are neutral in charge (although, they have a magnetic moment), it is not easy to make a very dense beam of neutrons. Hence, such a measurement is difficult. It is not hard to extrapolate from this to it being even more difficult to get measurements on n-n fusion, let alone commercial energy production. However, this was a reasonable question to ask, and I appreciate Radium for having raised it. Also, here is an interesting paper on the subject:
http://nvl.nist.gov/pub/nistpubs/jres/110/3/j110-3mit.pdf
 
Green Xenon [Radium] <glucegen1@excite.com> wrote:
> Neutron-neutron fusion is an example of nuclear fusion because neutrons
> are nucleons. Is it possible to solve the energy crisis using
> neutron-neutron fusion? Can this fusion be used to generated sufficient
> amounts of power?[/color]

Alas, the dineutron isn't stable, so trying to form it via fusion,
via the reaction
n + n --> 2n
would not be an energy *source* (the reaction *absorbs* energy). :(

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-- Jonathan Thornburg (remove -animal to reply) <J.Thornburg@soton.ac-zebra.uk>
School of Mathematics, U of Southampton, England
"Washing one's hands of the conflict between the powerful and the
powerless means to side with the powerful, not to be neutral."
-- quote by Freire / poster by Oxfam
 
Jonathan Thornburg [remove -animal to reply];1556138 said:
Green Xenon [Radium] <glucegen1@excite.com> wrote:
> Neutron-neutron fusion is an example of nuclear fusion because neutrons
> are nucleons. Is it possible to solve the energy crisis using
> neutron-neutron fusion? Can this fusion be used to generated sufficient
> amounts of power?[/color]

Alas, the dineutron isn't stable, so trying to form it via fusion,
via the reaction
n + n --> 2n
would not be an energy *source* (the reaction *absorbs* energy). :(

--
-- Jonathan Thornburg (remove -animal to reply) <J.Thornburg@soton.ac-zebra.uk>
School of Mathematics, U of Southampton, England
"Washing one's hands of the conflict between the powerful and the
powerless means to side with the powerful, not to be neutral."
-- quote by Freire / poster by Oxfam


The reaction studied by Ando and Kubodera (linked in one of my earlier posts above) was not

n + n --> 2n,

but rather,

n + n --> d + e+ nu_e.

So, your reasoning for dismissing the possibility of n-n fusion (instability of the di-neutron) does not seem to me to be valid.
 

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