Is only (i) true for a continuous function f with given conditions?

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The discussion revolves around determining the truth of specific statements regarding a continuous function \( f \) under given conditions. Participants explore various configurations of the function to assess which statements must hold true based on the provided points and conditions.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses difficulty in determining which statements about the function are true and seeks assistance.
  • Another participant suggests plotting the line \( y=3 \) along with the points \( (1,3), (4,5), (5,3) \) to draw conclusions about the statements.
  • A participant presents two potential function sketches, indicating that one satisfies \( f(0)>3 \) and \( f(2)>3 \), while the other only satisfies \( f(2)>3 \) and \( f(6)<3 \).
  • Some participants agree that only the first condition must be true, suggesting that the other conditions can vary.
  • One participant reinforces the idea that with \( f(1)=3 \) and \( f(4)=5 \), the function must have \( f(2)>3 \) based on the absence of other possibilities for \( f(x)=3 \) in the interval \( (1,4) \).

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

There is a general agreement among some participants that only the first condition must be true, while the truth of the other conditions remains contested. The discussion does not reach a definitive consensus on the overall truth of the statements.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not fully resolved the implications of the conditions on the function, and there are missing assumptions regarding the behavior of \( f \) outside the specified points.

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Hi there, I'm having trouble with the above question. Basically, I need to determine which, or all of the statements are true. I've tried coming up with different ways the function can look like to satisfy or not satisfy the statements, but have come to no luck in doing so. If anyone could assist me on this one, that would be appreciated.
 

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I would begin by plotting the line $y=3$ and the 3 given points:

$(1,3),\,(4,5),\,(5,3)$

What conclusions do you now draw regarding the 3 statements?
 
MarkFL said:
I would begin by plotting the line $y=3$ and the 3 given points:

$(1,3),\,(4,5),\,(5,3)$

What conclusions do you now draw regarding the 3 statements?

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This is a rough sketch of two possible ideas I had the function f might look like, the blue line being one possibility where f(0)>3 and f(2) > 3.

The purple line only satisfies f(2) > 3 and f(6) < 3.
 

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Okay, good! (Yes)

Which, if any, of the given conditions must be true then?
 
MarkFL said:
Okay, good! (Yes)

Which, if any, of the given conditions must be true then?

Hmm, the only think I can think of which has to be true is the first condition... since the other ones can be changed
 
Umar said:
Hmm, the only think I can think of which has to be true is the first condition... since the other ones can be changed

I agree...only (i) must be true. With $f(1)=3$ and $f(4)=5$ and no other possibilities for $f(x)=3$ on $(1,4)$, then we must have $f(2)>3$. You demonstrated the other two don't have to be. :D
 
MarkFL said:
I agree...only (i) must be true. With $f(1)=3$ and $f(4)=5$ and no other possibilities for $f(x)=3$ on $(1,4)$, then we must have $f(2)>3$. You demonstrated the other two don't have to be. :D

Thank you so much!
 

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