Is Our Ancestral Math Overestimating Family Trees?

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The discussion revolves around the implications of ancestral mathematics on family trees, particularly the concept of incest and its biological consequences. Participants explore the statistical feasibility of having a vast number of ancestors and the potential for incest across generations, while also touching on humorous and speculative ideas about sex robots and cyborg children.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that the exponential growth of ancestors leads to an unrealistic number of potential ancestors, questioning the validity of such calculations.
  • Others argue about the definition of incest, suggesting that sharing an ancestor from many generations ago does not constitute a close relationship.
  • A participant mentions the Genesis account and its implications for early human reproduction, linking it to the concept of incest.
  • There are claims that biological implications of incest are significant only up to a certain degree of relation, with less concern for third or fourth cousins.
  • Some participants humorously suggest that sex robots could resolve issues related to shared genes, while others challenge this notion, stating it does not address the core problem of incest.
  • A later reply questions the seriousness of the sex robot suggestion, indicating confusion over whether it was a joke or a serious proposal.
  • Another participant introduces the idea of making cyborg children, prompting inquiries about its feasibility and purpose.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of incest and the validity of ancestral calculations. There is no consensus on the seriousness of the sex robot discussion, with some treating it as a joke while others engage with it more seriously. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the potential solutions to the issues raised.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include varying definitions of incest, assumptions about genetic implications, and the speculative nature of proposed solutions like sex robots and cyborg children. The discussion also reflects differing interpretations of humor and seriousness in contributions.

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If we double the number of ancestors in each generation, 2 parents, 4 grandparents, and so on, we can see that by the time we are back 10 generations, we have the potential for 1024 ancestors. But is this true? If we were to go back to the time of Charlemagne, we would find we had the potential for 281 trillion (YES!) ancestors all living at that one moment in history. This is statistically impossible! So where did our ancestors go?

Incest. We still commit incest to this day and don't realize it.
 
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Incest is sex with close relatives. I hardly thing sharing an ancestor 10 generations ago is close relative, by that logic all sex is incest and we have to now come up with a new term to describe sex with close relatives. pointless
 
ryan_m_b said:
Incest is sex with close relatives. I hardly thing sharing an ancestor 10 generations ago is close relative, by that logic all sex is incest and we have to now come up with a new term to describe sex with close relatives. pointless

It's interesting that the Genesis account appears to require incest between siblings for the propagation of the human race. I pointed this out to my parents at a young age (11) and they looked at me like I was Rosemary's Baby (look it up if you're too young to remember this movie.)
 
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Incest only has grave biological implications (you know deformed babies and the such) till at the most a second cousin. By the time you reach a third or fourth cousin the shared percentage of genes becomes very less and mostly won't result in retarded offspring.
 
This is why the world needs sex robots.
 
Perfection said:
This is why the world needs sex robots.

Yes, because sex robots would be the perfect aid to reproduction and remove the whole problem of shared genes once and for all. In fact, once the current population dies off there wouldn't be much in the way of genes left at all... :rolleyes:
 
jarednjames said:
Yes, because sex robots would be the perfect aid to reproduction and remove the whole problem of shared genes once and for all. In fact, once the current population dies off there wouldn't be much in the way of genes left at all... :rolleyes:

uh...what?
 
mishrashubham said:
uh...what?

Introducing "sex robots" doesn't solve the supposed issue of incest. It could even make it worse.

Personally, I don't see there being a problem. As per previous posts, it's not that much of an issue unless they are close relatives. So said robots won't do anything.
 
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jarednjames said:
Introducing "sex robots" doesn't solve the supposed issue of incest. It could even make it worse.

Personally, I don't see there being a problem. As per previous posts, it's not that much of an issue unless they are close relatives. So said robots won't do anything.

You took that post seriously? I thought that was just a random and stupid joke.
 
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mishrashubham said:
You took that post seriously? I thought that was just a random and stupid joke.

It wasn't serious, it was a reference to a film which has this exact issue in a comedic sense. However, as you were confused I explained it.
 
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Well okay
 
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jarednjames said:
it was a reference to a film which has this exact issue in a comedic sense.
No it wasn't.

The key is to make cyborg children.
 
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Perfection said:
No it wasn't.

The key is to make cyborg children.

The key to what? Since you seem pretty serious about this, tell me how would this help? And how do you hope to accomplish this? I am still assuming this isn't spam or a joke.
 
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Perfection said:
No it wasn't.

Ah, so you know what I was referencing and I don't.
 

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