Adam and Eve versus our ancestral marine organism

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The discussion revolves around the contrasting views of human origins, specifically the debate between the concept of 'Adam and Eve' as a representation of divine intervention and the evidence supporting evolutionary theory. Participants seek recommendations for literature that addresses these themes, exploring both scientific and theological perspectives.

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  • One participant requests book recommendations on the debate between divine creation and evolutionary evidence.
  • Several links to books are provided, including recent publications that may address the topic.
  • Concerns are raised about the readability of Richard Dawkins' works, with some participants finding them heavy and complex.
  • Another participant suggests that "The Greatest Show On Earth" is intended for laymen, contrasting it with more serious scientific literature that would not engage with the concept of 'Adam and Eve.'
  • A participant mentions enjoying "Why Evolution Is True" by Jerry A. Coyne, questioning its accessibility compared to Dawkins' writings.
  • One participant recommends an audiobook version of Dawkins' works for better comprehension and flow.
  • A participant expresses enthusiasm for a book that discusses the scientific method and critiques creationism, highlighting its engaging nature.

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Participants express differing opinions on the accessibility of various books on the subject, with some finding Dawkins' writing challenging while others believe it is suitable for general readers. There is no consensus on the best approach to discussing the origins of humanity, as views on the relevance of 'Adam and Eve' versus evolutionary theory remain contested.

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Some discussions touch on the limitations of addressing theological concepts within scientific literature, indicating a potential disconnect between scientific and religious narratives.

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Folks,

Can anyone recommend any books regarding the argument of we unlikely came from 'adam and eve' (devine intervention) versus evolutionary evidence etc etc

Thanks
bugatti
 
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Dawkins later books are heavy, as he spends too much time discussing unrelated things. Sadly that's a win of anti-evolutionists. The earlier ones are much better, but they are concentrated more on mechanisms, than on any particular lineage.
 
I haven't read many books on the subject, but I have read Why Evolution Is True by Jerry A. Coyne and it was very good.
 
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Floid said:
I haven't read many books on the subject, but I have read Why Evolution Is True by Jerry A. Coyne and it was very good.

Is this for the layman like myself? Or similar to Dawkins?

Thanks for the info.
 
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bugatti79 said:
Is this for the layman like myself? Or similar to Dawkins?

Your question is not correctly framed, because "The Greatest Show On Earth" (by Dawkins) is definitely intended for laymen.

In fact, I think you would have a hard time finding a book like you describe that is NOT intended for laymen. A serious scientific book would not even address "Adam and Eve," any more than it would waste a chapter on unicorns. Neither subject has anything to do with science.

If you want a book that explicitly opposes the Bible, you would be better off reading books on theology. IMO "The Age of Reason," written by Revolutionary War hero Thomas Paine over 200 years ago, has yet to be surpassed.
 
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I find Dawkins books heavy reading. Is this true for TGSOE he wrote?
Get the audio-book. Dawkins and his wife narrate/read very nicely. You get a much better sense of flow with his voice. My opinion, anyway.

I listened to both God Delusion and Greatest Show this way. It is great for when you are commuting...
 
I love this book:

https://www.amazon.com/dp/0813545501/?tag=pfamazon01-20

I stumbled upon it in a Barnes and Noble last summer. It goes into detail about how the scientific method works and how creationism uses pseudoscience. I couldn't keep the book down and have read it a couple times since.
 
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