Is Our Education System Contributing to Poor Health in Later Life?

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The discussion centers around the impact of the education system on the long-term health and well-being of individuals, particularly focusing on the pressures associated with formal exams and the potential benefits of alternative assessment methods. Participants explore various perspectives on educational practices, their psychological effects, and the balance between academic freedom and foundational learning.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant argues that the pressure of a high-stakes education system contributes to poor health outcomes, suggesting a shift from formal exams to teacher assessments and optional homework to alleviate stress.
  • Another participant counters that while there are flaws in the education system, the pressures faced in life extend beyond school, and adapting to these pressures is necessary.
  • Some participants express concern that allowing students to choose their subjects freely may lead to a lack of standards and question how educational standards would be maintained.
  • A different viewpoint emphasizes the value of a structured education that includes requirements, as it can lead to the discovery of interests and talents that students may not initially recognize.
  • There is a recognition that basic education is essential, and exposure to a variety of subjects can be beneficial for personal development.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of opinions, with some agreeing on the need for reform in assessment methods while others defend the current system's structure and the necessity of certain educational requirements. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing views on the best approach to education.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight various assumptions about the nature of education, the role of pressure in learning, and the potential consequences of changing educational practices. There is an acknowledgment of the complexity of balancing individual interests with educational standards.

Nev
I suggest that our hot-house system of education, with its cruel blackmail that children have only 'one chance' to 'succeed', is a major contributing factor to ill health in later life. If a person fails in his final exam at any stage, he may well see himself as a 'failure' in life and turn for solace to drink or drugs. In my case I became an alcoholic! Some cannot cope with failure at all and every day in the UK ten in their twenties take their own lives.

I submit that our children should not be subjected to such an ordeal. Formal exams, on which so much is made to depend, should be replaced by teacher assessments and homework, which is so stressful for some, should be made optional, in order to ease the pressure on our young. It should also be made abundantly clear that there are always opportunities for study in later life. I myself, when I was made redundant at the age of 47, obtained O- and A-levels in accounts and did a course in computing, which led to a satisfying new career.

Most of the knowledge we gain in school is in any case soon lost to memory through lack of use, and I don't see how one can be said to have 'failed' where learning is concerned, as we all learn something, if it is only the sum of 2 + 2 and how to conjugate the verb 'to be'!Once they have mastered the three R's it seems to me that our children should be allowed to pursue their thirst for knowledge in whatever subject they please, whether academic or vocational, Shakespeare or plumbing. For those who are prepared to be 'shop-floor' workers in shops, stores and factories etc, without whom we would not survive, they should be allowed, if they wish, to finish school early and make the most of their lives.

If our children were given the freedom to focus on the subjects in which they are interested, I submit that 'standards' would rise to unprecedented heights, there would be a fall in truancy and an improvement in the general health and well-being of all our young. Having said that, I submit that the greatest knowledge we ever possesses is knowing that we are loved and that the feeling is returned. I accept that compulsary education is necessary in any worthwhile society which aims to obtain a reasonable standard of living and for the natural fulfillment of individual talent, but that excessive pressure is hugely counter-productive and harmful to health. After all, the Ancient Greeks who taught us so much, had no pressure on them at all.
 
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After all, the Ancient Greeks who taught us so much, had no pressure on them at all.
Sigh.

That's because those who were actually studying back then were mostly filthy rich aristocrats with nothing better to fill their spare time with.
 
Nev said:
I submit that our children should not be subjected to such an ordeal. Formal exams, on which so much is made to depend, should be replaced by teacher assessments and homework, which is so stressful for some, should be made optional, in order to ease the pressure on our young.

There are many flaws in our education system, but what you propose may be even more harmful. Pressure is present beyond our education system. If you have to support yourself, or a wife and a couple of kids, Mr. Smith's monster geography quiz back in 9th grade isn't so bad after all, now is it? Personally, I find that formal exams are a poor indicator of one's abilities, since they often focus on rote memorization, so we can agree here. Projects tend to be a better showcase. However, how many times have you had to meet certain requirements and deadlines that are complete BS in your current job? Pressure is a constant. Either you adapt or you go away.

Nev said:
If our children were given the freedom to focus on the subjects in which they are interested, I submit that 'standards' would rise to unprecedented heights, there would be a fall in truancy and an improvement in the general health and well-being of all our young.

If anyone can study what they want, what would we consider as the "standards"? Isn't this what most education systems do anyways? In the U.S., when students are freshmen (grade 9) they usually choose to pursue the vocational or academic path for the rest of the high school education.
 
Well, disregarding the fact that everyone should have at least the same basic education, we need to look at the fact that people may not know what they like. I am a social science major who used to hate mathematics and took calculus only to get into a phd program. Because of that requirement, I discovered a subject I ended up loving. I am now taking as much advanced mathematics as I can, and devour books on the subject outside of classes. I NEVER would have discovered this interesting field if left to my own devices; it was only by the constraints and requirements of a formal education that I found out my talent in the area. Requirements are not bad; they give a basic training and exposure to many different studies. what in the world is wrong with that?
 
ascapoccia said:
a basic training and exposure to many different studies. what in the world is wrong with that?

Of course there is nothing wrong with that, and I never intended to imply anything to the contrary.
 

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