Is pleasurable intercourse an evolved biological trait?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around whether pleasurable intercourse is an evolved biological trait, exploring the implications of self-awareness in animals, the role of pleasure in reproductive behavior, and the complexity of sexual responses across different species. The conversation touches on evolutionary biology, animal behavior, and the nature of pleasure in sexual activity.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that only dolphins and humans engage in sex for pleasure due to their self-awareness, suggesting that evolution favored those who enjoyed sex.
  • Others argue that the concept of pleasure in sexual activity is more complex and may not be universally applicable across species, indicating that a genetic predisposition for pleasurable sex could enhance reproductive success.
  • A participant challenges the notion that self-awareness is unique to dolphins and humans, asserting that all mammals exhibit some level of self and social awareness and engage in sexual activity for enjoyment, not solely for reproduction.
  • Another participant highlights the complexity of sexual behaviors in animals, using the example of male dogs to illustrate that pleasurable behaviors can lead to positive reinforcement, similar to human experiences.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationship between self-awareness and sexual pleasure, with some asserting that pleasure is a common trait among many animals, while others maintain that it is primarily associated with humans and dolphins. The discussion remains unresolved, with multiple competing perspectives present.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the assumptions made about self-awareness and the definition of pleasure across species, as well as the implications of evolutionary advantages related to sexual behavior. The discussion does not resolve these complexities.

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The only two animals that have sex for pleasure, also have something else in common... self-awareness. These, of course, are dolphins and humans. Has reason caused these creatures to question whether to have sex or not? We know the most basic instincts are survival and replication, so maybe through evolution the ones that didn't enjoy sex died off and the ones that did lived on.
 
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I think you're mixing several concepts here.

When it is said that humans have sex for pleasure, what you're basically implying is that they can cheat sex. That is, they can take pleasure that is engineered to favor reproductive activity without there being any.

All organisms that reproduce sexually and are to be successful as a species, require an impulse for sexual activity. It is not hard to see that if a gene that made sex more "pleasurable" developed and it meant that organism would have more offspring, its carrier would tend to outnumber those organisms where that gene did not exist. Of course, if it became too pleasurable and there was no limit to it, the organism may forget to feed itself and die, so some sort of genetic counterweight probably developed along with it.

The use of the concept of pleasure is, of course, open to debate. It may not exist in all animals in the same sense that it does for humans, but some form of positive feedback (a chemical high perhaps) for sexual activity must exist.
 
I'm not sure where you are getting your ideas, but they don't appear accurate. Every mammal has self and social awareness and has sex just because it feels good and they have the drive. I've owned a lot of animals, including mice and rats, and they do not have sex to reproduce, they do it because they enjoy it. It's true that animals that do not have a sex-drive have a less chance on passing on their genetics, but self awareness, dolphins, and humans are not related to that aspect of natural selection anymore than any other organism.
 
If you've ever owned a male dog, and watched them get an erection when somebody scratched the back of their neck (usually accompanied with the mandatory faux-scratching leg movements), you have to know that sexual behavior and responses in animals is as least as complex as in people. Pleasurable behaviors result in positive reinforcement.
 

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