Is Pluto's Axis of Rotation Almost Perpendicular to Its Orbit?

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The discussion centers on the orientation of Pluto's axis of rotation in relation to its orbital plane. Participants explore the implications of the angle measurements and the terminology used to describe Pluto's axial tilt, examining both theoretical and observational aspects.

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  • One participant questions the accuracy of stating that Pluto's axis is "almost perpendicular" to its orbit, citing a measured angle of 122 degrees and suggesting it is actually 32 degrees below the orbital plane.
  • Another participant notes the slow nature of Pluto's orbit and emphasizes the need to differentiate between Pluto's current position and its entire orbital path, suggesting that at certain points, its rotation axis may be nearly parallel to its orbital velocity.
  • There is a discussion about the ambiguity of the term "almost," with one participant proposing that depending on the tilt of the orbit relative to the polar axis, the angle could vary between 105 and 139 degrees, indicating subjectivity in the interpretation of "almost perpendicular."
  • A later reply reiterates the potential for different interpretations of the angle based on the orientation of the orbit, suggesting that the simplification of the planes may overlook complexities.

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Participants express differing views on the interpretation of Pluto's axial tilt and the appropriateness of the term "almost perpendicular." The discussion remains unresolved, with multiple competing interpretations and no consensus reached.

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Participants highlight the complexity of measuring angles in relation to Pluto's orbit and the potential for varying interpretations based on the tilt of the orbit. There is an acknowledgment of the limitations in precision due to the nature of the data available.

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I read in several places (including thenineplanets.org) that Pluto's poles are "almost perpendicular to its orbit". But the actual number I see is 122 degrees. So its polar axis is actually 32 degrees below its plane, right? (meaning that Earth sees the North pole of Pluto in its Southern limb) .

Add that to the plane of its orbit, and we get an angle of Pluto's polar axis compared to the axis of the solar system of more like 139 degrees.

Am I right?

And isn't it a bit inaccurate to say its axis of rotation is almost perpendicular to its orbit?
 
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Perhaps the first issue would be that pluto's orbit is very slow (the pioneer analomaly people would love to have recorded far more of pluto's motion), so it's necessary to distinguish statements about pluto "right now" from statements about pluto's "complete orbit".

Note the language is slightly ambiguous: At some point in it's orbit, it seems the Pluto's rotation axis will (in context) be exceptionally near parallel to orbital velocity, while Earth's polar axis is always "almost perpendicular" to its orbital plane and orbital velocity.

Compared to other planets (the plane of Earth's rotation is so well aligned with the plane of Earth's orbit, you'd attribute it to solar system formation rather than coincidence), I think it is indeed reasonable to point out that those two planes are comparatively very perpendicular in the case of pluto.

That and astronomers know how to do proper uncertainties/statistics (often with small data sets: eg. 8 planets), and they're very accustomed to only expecting order-of-magnitude-ish precision.
 
Depending on which way the orbit is tilted relative to the polar axis, you might want to subtract the two instead of adding them. So it could be 122+17=139 degrees like you said, or 122-17=105 degrees, or any answer inbetween 139 or 105. "Almost" is a subjective term. I guess 105 would be "almost perpendicular".
 
tony873004 said:
Depending on which way the orbit is tilted relative to the polar axis, you might want to subtract the two instead of adding them. So it could be 122+17=139 degrees like you said, or 122-17=105 degrees, or any answer inbetween 139 or 105. "Almost" is a subjective term. I guess 105 would be "almost perpendicular".

I don't think this is so.* See attachment.


*(I can't be sure. I think I'm simplifying the number of planes.)
 

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