Is Quantum Field Theory Redefining the Foundations of Quantum Mechanics?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the relationship between Quantum Field Theory (QFT) and the foundations of Quantum Mechanics (QM), particularly focusing on the implications of QFT for interpretations of quantum theory, the measurement problem, and the foundational issues inherent in both frameworks.

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  • Debate/contested
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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express curiosity about the meaning of measurement in quantum mechanics and the implications of the Bohmian interpretation, suggesting that hidden variables may not be entirely refuted.
  • One participant notes that while QFT addresses many-particle systems, the measurement problem persists, albeit in a less pronounced form.
  • It is proposed that the interpretation problems are inherent to quantum theory as a whole, with QM being the simplest sub-theory where these issues are most easily articulated.
  • Another participant argues that foundational problems in QM do not necessarily reflect those in QFT, implying that the interpretational questions in QFT are distinct and less discussed due to their complexity.
  • Concerns are raised about the connection between interpretational questions in non-relativistic QM and those in relativistic QFT, particularly regarding the measurement problem and the relevance of solutions across the two frameworks.
  • Some participants highlight that foundational studies often focus on specific settings, and the connections between different theories are typically treated on a case-by-case basis.
  • A claim is made that Bohmian mechanics does not generalize to interacting relativistic QFT, which is contested by another participant who cites existing literature proposing such generalizations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views regarding the implications of QFT for the foundations of QM, with some asserting that the measurement problem is less significant in QFT, while others argue that foundational issues remain relevant. There is disagreement on whether Bohmian mechanics can be generalized to interacting relativistic QFT, indicating a lack of consensus on this point.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that foundational problems in quantum theory are complex and often context-dependent, with unresolved mathematical steps and varying interpretations across different frameworks. The discussion reflects the intricacies of transitioning from non-relativistic to relativistic theories and the challenges in addressing foundational issues.

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This discussion may be of interest to students and researchers in applied mathematics, physics, and philosophy of science, particularly those exploring the foundations of quantum theory and the implications of quantum field theory.

  • #61
Elias1960 said:
If we restrict ourselves here to lattice regularization
This restriction is quite artificial. In particular, you cannot apply it to the standard model. Nobody working on the standard model is using this noncovariant regularization scheme. It is useful only in nonrelativistic QFT and partially in QCD. Even in QCD, there is lots of work done in covariant regularrizations.
AndreasC said:
many people abuse Occam's razor
... just like one can use an ordinary razor to murder someone ...
AndreasC said:
From what I've seen so far I wouldn't say there is something that sets BM apart as particularly unrealistic or unnecessarily convoluted
Well, from a mathematical point of view it is very unnatural and convoluted. It ditches not only relativity but also symplectic geometry (by dropping the symmetry between position and momentum) - both principles that lead to a huge amount of theoretical and practical insight into physics. If Bohmian mechanics were fundamental it would be surprising why these tools should have a place in the theory at all.
 
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  • #62
A. Neumaier said:
This restriction is quite artificial. In particular, you cannot apply it to the standard model. Nobody working on the standard model is using this noncovariant regularization scheme. It is useful only in nonrelativistic QFT and partially in QCD. Even in QCD, there is lots of work done in covariant regularrizations.
You cannot apply? Sorry, no, you can apply. There would be simply no point of doing it if all what you want is to shut up and calculate. Please, just accept that for doing different things different technical means are appropriate. If it is easier to compute integrals with dimensional regularization, fine, let's use dimensional regularization if we want to compute those integrals. But if we want to understand why all this can be done on a certain mathematically well-defined base, then the simplest choice if a lattice regularization on a large cube, which gives you a finite-dimensional theory.

And if all you want is to shut up and calculate, minimal QM is fine, and the measurement problem or Schroedinger's cat is simply irrelevant. If you, instead, want an interpretation which does not give rubbish if applied to Schroedinger's cat, then it is better to have a continuous trajectory $q(t)\in Q$. Given that the Schroedinger equation gives you a continuity equation for ##|\psi(q)|^2##, this is not a problem at all. But with such a continuous trajectory you can describe the collapse by using the Schroedinger equation for the system and the measurement device, and then use the visible trajectory of the measurement device to compute the resulting effective wave function of the system.
$$\psi_{eff}(q_{sys}) = \psi_{full}(q_{sys}, q_{dev}(t)).$$
A. Neumaier said:
Well, from a mathematical point of view it is very unnatural and convoluted. It ditches not only relativity but also symplectic geometry (by dropping the symmetry between position and momentum) - both principles that lead to a huge amount of theoretical and practical insight into physics. If Bohmian mechanics were fundamental it would be surprising why these tools should have a place in the theory at all.
Very simple - once you can derive them starting from the theory, they have a place there. Mathematics is full of such surprises.

As someone who knows particle theory you should be aware how useful approximate symmetries are - even once they, as approximate symmetries, have no fundamental status at all, they can give as well huge amounts of theoretical and practical insights into physics, not? The question if some symmetry is useful has nothing to do with if it is fundamental or only emergent.
 

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