Is Routh Function a non-relativistic KK theory?

  • Thread starter arivero
  • Start date
  • #1
arivero
Gold Member
3,304
59

Main Question or Discussion Point

I have just read a mention about a variant of Legendre transformation that instead of producing the Hamiltonian produces "Routh function", and that the some of this coordinates in this function are interpreted as extra coordinates producing the potential energy.

It sound very like Kaluza Klein, where the extra coordinates produce the force fields (and thus the potential energy). How valid is this analogy? Will KK theory produce Routh Theory in the non relativistic limit?

Generically, is there some modern information on this formalism?
 

Answers and Replies

  • #2
UltrafastPED
Science Advisor
Gold Member
1,912
216
Do you mean Routh's ignorable variables? If not please provide a reference ... I'm familiar with the removal of cyclic variables, but not the generation of extra variables.
 
  • #3
arivero
Gold Member
3,304
59
Yep, I think I mean that, ignorable variables. Regretly I have only seen, till now, the mention in Felix Klein "history of mathematics in the XIXth century".
 
  • #4
UltrafastPED
Science Advisor
Gold Member
1,912
216
In that case the answer to your first question is "no".

The Routh procedure is usually taught in an advanced course in classical mechanics; you can find it in most advanced texts like Goldstein's "Classical Mechanics", or most other graduate texts.
 
  • Like
Likes 1 person
  • #5
arivero
Gold Member
3,304
59
Thanks for the answer. Still... does Goldstein mention explicitly the idea of a "purely kinetic" theory to be obtained from Routh technique?
 
  • #6
UltrafastPED
Science Advisor
Gold Member
1,912
216
I don't recall. When writing my monograph on analytical mechanics I decided to omit Routh as off the mainline of development.


Hertz did develop a purely kinetic theory ...at least he started it prior to his untimely death.
 
  • #7
arivero
Gold Member
3,304
59
Ok, thanks very much. I will try to follow these leads.

It is mostly a curiosity, but at least it tells that Kaluza was not doing a surprising move by using extra variables in his theory. People nowadays believes that extra dimensions are invented in string theory :-D
 

Related Threads on Is Routh Function a non-relativistic KK theory?

Replies
7
Views
313
Replies
0
Views
968
  • Last Post
Replies
0
Views
5K
  • Last Post
5
Replies
120
Views
17K
  • Last Post
Replies
1
Views
958
Replies
3
Views
951
Replies
4
Views
479
Replies
9
Views
684
Replies
5
Views
2K
  • Last Post
Replies
1
Views
2K
Top