Is Separating Negative Numbers in Math Valid?

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The discussion revolves around the validity of mathematical manipulations involving negative numbers, particularly in the context of equations and square roots. Participants explore various mathematical statements and their implications, often using humor and hypothetical scenarios.

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a humorous equation suggesting that "Study = Fail" through a series of manipulations involving the concepts of studying and failing.
  • Another participant explores dividing two equations, leading to the conclusion that "don't" could equal either 1 or -1, raising concerns about division by zero.
  • A different participant shares a puzzle involving square roots and negative numbers, claiming "1 = -1" while acknowledging a fault in the reasoning.
  • Further contributions include playful equations linking women, money, and time, with humorous implications about their relationships.
  • Participants discuss the validity of manipulating square roots, particularly the claim that "sqrt(-1*-1) = sqrt(-1)*sqrt(-1)" and the implications of treating square roots as functions.
  • One participant questions the validity of a mathematical step involving absolute values, suggesting a potential error in reasoning.
  • Another participant critiques the tendency to turn phrases into mathematical arguments, implying a lack of seriousness in the discussion.
  • A participant recounts a conversation with a math teacher who argues against separating negative numbers in square root expressions, leading to a debate about the correctness of this explanation.

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Participants express a range of views on the validity of various mathematical manipulations, with no clear consensus on the correctness of the approaches discussed. Disagreements arise particularly around the treatment of negative numbers and square roots.

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Some statements rely on informal reasoning or humor, which may obscure the mathematical rigor. The discussion includes unresolved mathematical steps and differing interpretations of mathematical rules regarding negative numbers.

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This discussion may be of interest to those exploring mathematical reasoning, particularly in relation to negative numbers and square roots, as well as individuals who enjoy playful or unconventional approaches to math problems.

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Hi all,

Just some interesting stuff to share.

Study = Don't Fail--------(1)
Don't Study = Fail--------(2)

Add (1) &(2)

Study + Don't Study = Don't Fail + Fail

Factorising the equation,

Study(1+Don't) = Fail(1+Don't)

Study = Fail !?!

:P

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Dividing (1) by (2)
study/(don't study) = (don't fail)/fail
Hence 1/(don't) = don't
Or don't =1 or -1

If don't = -1
1+don't = 0
Division by 0 is illegal.

If don't =1 (the multiplicative identity), then (1) and (2), both become: study=fail,
which is not inconsistent with the final result.
 
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lol didn't notice thanks for the note:blushing:
 
hmm...if Don't = 1 then it takes the fun out of things already, but is can't be -1 also...zzzzz i will try think of a better equation. ^^
 
Try this one (which is a rather old "puzzle")

1 = sqrt(1) = sqrt(-1*-1) = sqrt(-1)*sqrt(-1)=i*i=-1

so 1 = -1 !

[Now before people jump all over me on that, I KNOW where the fault is].

Zz.
 
I've got a good one:

Women = Money * Time

Time = Money (Time is money!)

Women = (Money)^2

Money = sqrt(Evil) (Money is the ROOT of all evil...)

So, Women = Evil :devil:

Of course I've known this all along, I just have a mathematical proof of it now :smile:
 
Nice one mech, how very true.

Anyway referring back to zapper, something must be wrong, but i just can't a hand to it. take this for example.

1 = sqrt(1) = sqrt( -1*-1) = sqrt( (-1)^2 ) = (-1)^(2/2) = -1 ??

For now i can't solve, i will get back to you later.
 
The answer is simple, and exemplified by shortening the process some:

-a = sqrt(a^2) = a
 
hmm...here's my initial thought.

X = sqrt ( (+-x)^2 ) there is something wrong with this step right?
 
  • #10
Yes, it's like saying: 0 = inv. sin (0) = pi

The square root (like the inverse sine) is not strictly a function, because it is a one-to-many mapping (functions, strictly, are may-to-one, or one-to-oe maps). These are sometimes, loosely called multiple valued functions, with the condition that a principal value is assigned to the image (like the positive square root) when it's not specified which image you are talking about.
 
  • #11
Gokul43201 said:
Dividing (1) by (2)
study/(don't study) = (don't fail)/fail
Hence 1/(don't) = don't
Or don't =1 or -1

If don't = -1
1+don't = 0
Division by 0 is illegal.

If don't =1 (the multiplicative identity), then (1) and (2), both become: study=fail,
which is not inconsistent with the final result.


Hahaha! That has to be one of the best replies to a joke I have ever heard.:smile:
 
  • #12
can i also solve the problem by saying that: 1 = sqrt ( (-1)^2) = l -1 l = 1

is this explanation valid?
 
  • #13
I think some of you are spending too much time on turning words and phrases into mathematical shenanigans.
 
  • #14
Anyway, When i ask my Math teacher about

" 1 = sqrt(1) = sqrt(-1*-1) = sqrt(-1)*sqrt(-1)=i*i=-1 ".
-------------------^^^^^------------------------
She says that it is not valid because if u have negative numbers in brackets, then u cannot separate them out, instead u must work them out 1st bacause negative numbers are special. which i feel is crap. But is her explanation correct?
 

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