Is ##\sum^n_{k=0} 2k+1 = n^2## useful? Has it been found already?

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The discussion revolves around the summation of consecutive odd numbers and its relation to forming squares, specifically examining the equation ##\sum^n_{k=0} 2k+1 = n^2##. Participants explore its mathematical implications, potential applications, and whether it has been previously established in mathematical literature.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant observes that consecutive odd numbers can be summed to form squares, questioning its applications and prior discoveries.
  • Another participant presents an alternative summation approach, leading to a different result, indicating a discrepancy in the interpretation of the summation limits.
  • A participant challenges the original equation, suggesting that the correct formulation should be ##(n+1)^2## and asserts that the result is well-known and useful in various contexts.
  • There is a mention of using the summation to demonstrate the existence of infinitely many distinct Pythagorean triples, linking it to broader mathematical concepts.
  • Some participants engage in a discussion about the starting point of the summation, with differing views on whether it begins at ##k=0## or ##k=1##.
  • Further exploration leads to a discussion about patterns in the sums of consecutive cubes, with participants attempting to derive formulas and identify sequences.
  • One participant expresses excitement about discovering mathematical patterns independently, indicating a personal engagement with the topic.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the correctness of the original summation equation, with multiple competing interpretations and approaches presented. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications and applications of the summation.

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There are unresolved assumptions regarding the limits of summation and the definitions used, which may affect the interpretations of the results discussed.

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I was looking at the tiles of my home's kitchen when I realized that you can form squares by summing consecutive odd numbers. First, start with one tile, then add one tile to the right, bottom, and right hand corner (3), and so on. Can this be applied somewhere? And has someone found it already?
 
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This is an example of a family of summations where you can add the sum to the reversed sum and get a simple solution. I don't get exactly the same answer as you got. (I assumed that the 1 is outside of the summation.)
Consider this:
Code:
2* summation
=  summation
  + summation reversed
=   0 +        2 +         4  + ...+(2n-4)+(2n-2)+2n
  +2n +    (2n-2)+     (2n-4) + ... +    4 +    2 + 0
 = (n+1) *(2n)

So summation = n^2 + n.
 
FactChecker said:
This is an example of a family of summations where you can add the sum to the reversed sum and get a simple solution. I don't get exactly the same answer as you got. (I assumed that the 1 is outside of the summation.)
Consider this:
Code:
2* summation
=  summation
  + summation reversed
=   0 +        2 +         4  + ...+(2n-4)+(2n-2)+2n
  +2n +    (2n-2)+     (2n-4) + ... +    4 +    2 + 0
 = (n+1) *(2n)

So summation = n^2 + n.
your summation goes from ##k=1## to ##n##, but I began from ##k=0##. When I was searching my sum in Google, I saw the sum you described, but they didn't include 1.
 
Your equation isn't quite right I think. When n=1 you get 1+3=1 which is obviously wrong. The right hand side should be ##(n+1)^2##

This is a very well known result. I'm sure it's useful in a variety of applications.
 
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Summary: What the title says

I was looking at the tiles of my home's kitchen when I realized that you can form squares by summing consecutive odd numbers. First, start with one tile, then add one tile to the right, bottom, and right hand corner (3), and so on. Can this be applied somewhere? And has someone found it already?
Yes, it's well known. You can use it to prove that there are infinitely many distinct Pythagorean triples:

Let ##k## be any odd number. Note that ##k^2## is odd, hence the difference between two consecutive squares. I.e. we can find ##n## such that ##n^2 + k^2 = (n+1)^2##.

That means we have a Pythagorean triple ##(k, n, n+1)##. And, as in general ##n## and ##n+1## have no common factors, it cannot reduce to a lower form.

Can you find a similar pattern for consecutive cubes?
 
MevsEinstein said:
your summation goes from ##k=1## to ##n##,
I don't understand why you say that. When k=0, 2k=0. That is the first term in my post.
 
FactChecker said:
I don't understand why you say that. When k=0, 2k=0. That is the first term in my post.
Oh I thought the first term for you was 3.
 
PeroK said:
Can you find a similar pattern for consecutive cubes?
1=1, 1+8=9, 1+8+27=36, 1+8+27+64=100, ... In other words, this is ##1^2, 3^2, 6^2, 10^2##. 1 is the sum of the first integer, 3 is the sum of the first two consecutive integers, and so on. this means that the sum of consecutive cubes is ##\frac{n^2*(n+1)^2}{4}##. I have seen this before.
 
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PeroK said:
Can you find a similar pattern for consecutive cubes?
Oh wait, I misunderstood what you were saying. So we have 1, 7, 19, 37... To me this looks like a quadratic equation. After solving some systems of equations, we now know that ##\sum_{k=0}^n 3k^2 - 3k +1 = n^3##. Amazing!

Discovering math on my own is feeling great :).
 
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MevsEinstein said:
Oh wait, I misunderstood what you were saying. So we have 1, 7, 19, 37... To me this looks like a quadratic equation. After solving some systems of equations, we now know that ##\sum_{k=0}^n 3k^2 - 3k +1 = n^3##. Amazing!

Discovering math on my own is feeling great :).
Let's take the sequence of differences between consecutive cubes: ##1, 7, 19, 37 \dots##.

Can you guess the next one from that sequence?
 
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PeroK said:
Let's take the sequence of differences between consecutive cubes: ##1, 7, 19, 37 \dots##.

Can you guess the next one from that sequence?
the pattern seems to be the consecutive multiples of six, so I think the next term is 61.
 
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MevsEinstein said:
##\sum_{k=0}^n 3k^2 - 3k +1 = n^3##. Amazing!
##k## actually goes from ##1## to ##n##, sorry about that.
 

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