Is the Age of the Universe a Coincidence?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of the age of the universe and whether it represents a significant coincidence in cosmology. Participants explore the implications of a dimensionless age of the universe and its relation to cosmological models, as well as the homogeneity and isotropy of the universe over time.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants reference a paper suggesting that the dimensionless age of the universe, represented as H_0*t_0, is close to one, indicating a potential special timing in cosmic evolution.
  • Others argue that this coincidence is not particularly special, noting that the normalized Hubble value must cross unity at some point due to its decreasing nature.
  • A question is raised about whether the universe is homogeneous and isotropic throughout time, leading to a clarification that while it may be spatially homogeneous and isotropic now, it has not been so throughout its history.
  • Some participants assert that the universe's hot-dense state at the Big Bang and its future heat death could be considered special moments in time.
  • There is a contention regarding the interpretation of homogeneity and isotropy in the time domain, with some asserting that the universe does not appear the same at all times due to its expansion and changing conditions.
  • Conditional agreements arise regarding the original question of homogeneity and isotropy, but participants emphasize that this does not imply that no time is special, as significant events occurred at specific times.

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Participants express differing views on the significance of the age of the universe and the implications of homogeneity and isotropy over time. There is no consensus on whether the age represents a special coincidence, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the nature of the universe's characteristics through time.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the complexity of defining homogeneity and isotropy in the context of cosmic evolution, with unresolved nuances regarding the implications of these concepts over time.

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According to this paper we do, which sounds very interesting.

arXiv:1607.00002 [pdf, other]
The dimensionless age of the Universe: a riddle for our time
Arturo Avelino (1), Robert P. Kirshner (1 and 2) ((1) Harvard University, (2) Gordon and Betty Moore Foundation)
Comments: 14 pages, 12 figures. Accepted for publication in the Astrophysical Journal (ApJ)
Subjects: Cosmology and Nongalactic Astrophysics (astro-ph.CO); General Relativity and Quantum Cosmology (gr-qc)

We present the interesting coincidence of cosmology and astrophysics that points toward a dimensionless age of the universe H_0*t_0 that is close to one. Despite cosmic deceleration for 9 Gyr and acceleration since then, we find H_0t*_0 = 0.96 +/- 0.01 for the LCDM model that fits SN Ia data from Pan-STARRS, CMB power spectra, and baryon acoustic oscillations. Similarly, astrophysical measures of stellar ages and the Hubble constant derived from redshifts and distances point to H_0*t ~ 1.0 +/- 0.1$. The wide range of possible values for H_0*t_0 realized during comic evolution means that we live at what appears to be a special time. This "synchronicity problem" is not precisely the same as the usual Coincidence problem because there are combinations of Omega_Matter and Omega_Lambda for which the usual coincidence problem holds but for which H_0*t_0 is not close to 1.
 
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This is a coincidence known for quite some time and I do not think most cosmologists find it too special. With the normalized Hubble value starting out very high and is decreasing to a quite low value, normalized H*t must cross unity at some stage. With the observed cosmic parameters, it was in the range 0.5 to 2 from time some 2000 years until double the present cosmic time.
 
Wouldn't homogeneity and isotropy pertain to the time domain of the universe as well?
 
What exactly do you mean by "homogeneity and isotropy in the time domain"?
 
I mean isn't the universe homogeneous and isotropic throughout time? If so, then no time is special just as no position in the universe is special.
 
One can argue that the hot-dense state (the 'BB') must have been special. And so may be a heat death in the 'infinite future'.
If we just mean that if the universe is spatially homogeneous and isotropic now, has it been and must it always be the case, then the answer is yes, approximately.
 
Kevin McHugh said:
isn't the universe homogeneous and isotropic throughout time?

No.

"Homogeneous" in time would mean that the universe looks the same at every moment of time. Obviously that's false since it is expanding.

"Isotropic" in time would mean that the universe looks the same in the past direction as in the future direction. Obviously this is also false since the universe is hot and dense in the past and more and more cool and diffuse in the future.
 
I agree as the original question was stated, but to the OP's clarification "I mean isn't the universe homogeneous and isotropic throughout time?", I think the answer is a conditional 'yes'.
 
Jorrie said:
to the OP's clarification "I mean isn't the universe homogeneous and isotropic throughout time?", I think the answer is a conditional 'yes'.

With your interpretation as given in post #6, yes. But we cannot draw from that interpretation the deduction that "no time in the universe is special", because the universe does change in time, and particular things of importance, such as the Big Bang, or the CMB emission, happened at particular times. So your interpretation still says "no" to the implied inference in post #5.
 
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Thanks Peter, that makes sense. The universe would appear different in time depending on the phase changes since the BB.
 

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