Is the Big Bang Theory a Linear Expansion or Something More Complex?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the nature of the Big Bang Theory, specifically whether the universe's expansion is linear or more complex. Participants explore analogies, such as comparing cosmic expansion to biological processes like mitosis, and question the geometric representation of the universe's expansion. The conversation touches on concepts of dark energy and the implications of the universe expanding into "nothing."

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that the expansion of the universe could be analogous to the process of mitosis, questioning if this analogy clarifies the concept of cosmic expansion.
  • Another participant emphasizes that the Big Bang was not an explosion into something, but rather the universe itself expanding.
  • There is a discussion about whether electrons orbit the nucleus in atoms, with some arguing that this is a simplification of a more complex phenomenon.
  • A later post introduces the idea of a scalar field and its relation to the inflation theory, questioning why the Big Bang was historically assumed to be non-linear.
  • Concerns are raised about the universe's expansion rate, with one participant expressing frustration over the changing understanding of this concept.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of the universe's expansion, with some proposing analogies and others challenging those analogies. There is no consensus on whether the expansion is linear or non-linear, and the discussion remains unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge limitations in their understanding and express curiosity about complex scientific concepts, indicating a reliance on simplified models for explanation.

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I apologize upfront due to my weak knowledge on the magnificent science. What i am studying now compared to the cutting edge of science is like a huge giant compared to a small little ant.

Recently watched the great video of "through the wormhole", realized that dark energy is expanding the universe and at some point of time, it may break this universe. But don't you think it is analogous to the process of mitosis? If we were to situate this mitosis process into what will cause the universe, then wouldn't it be clearer?

This may sound a little crazy, but there are many things that happen in atomic level is actually the same as movement of the universe; orbiting around the sun, black holes, and many more.

However, coming to this, so is the big bang started from the middle of the typical universe oval shaped map or does it start from a point which is similar to a runner at his starting point and there goes the starting gun BANG. In other words, does it expand in a radius form or in a horizontally positive form across X axis if we were to plot it on a graph.

I apologize upfront due to my weak knowledge on the magnificent science. What i am studying now compared to the cutting edge of science is like a huge giant compared to a small little ant.
 
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Welcome to PF Jpjangz. It may be of benefit to you to read the rules (there's a button on the centre panel at the top of the page) as overly speculative posts are not allowed.

Jpjangz said:
I apologize upfront due to my weak knowledge on the magnificent science. What i am studying now compared to the cutting edge of science is like a huge giant compared to a small little ant.

Recently watched the great video of "through the wormhole", realized that dark energy is expanding the universe and at some point of time, it may break this universe. But don't you think it is analogous to the process of mitosis? If we were to situate this mitosis process into what will cause the universe, then wouldn't it be clearer?

The http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Rip" which is a stage the division of a somatic cell whereby the DNA is copied in separated.
Jpjangz said:
This may sound a little crazy, but there are many things that happen in atomic level is actually the same as movement of the universe; orbiting around the sun, black holes, and many more.

Atoms are very different to the orbits of planets. For one thing nothing actually orbits in an atom, that's a conceptual way of looking at a very complex phenomenon.
Jpjangz said:
However, coming to this, so is the big bang started from the middle of the typical universe oval shaped map or does it start from a point which is similar to a runner at his starting point and there goes the starting gun BANG. In other words, does it expand in a radius form or in a horizontally positive form across X axis if we were to plot it on a graph.

The big bang was not the universe expanding into something but the universe expanding.
 
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oh...sorry did not realize that...i thought was a question forum thing.

But in the atomic level, didn't the electrons orbit around the center nucleus which is analogous to the solar system? Or it is somewhat more complicated in the sense that this is just a particular area of study mainly to simplify things up.

And lastly, yeah i know that the universe is expanding, but it is expanding in a radius form or by form of starting point which travel across the X axis?

Sorry if i ask so MUCH! just got so curious and fascinated and a little annoyed that my current knowledge is so tiny little compared to yours and other great scientists
 
Jpjangz said:
oh...sorry did not realize that...i thought was a question forum thing.

You're more than welcome to ask questions :smile: it's just that you should be careful not to be seen to providing your own speculative answers. It's a rule because otherwise we get people that come on and try to say that they've disproved gravity or some other crackpot idea. It's easier to ask people to stick to the known science.
Jpjangz said:
But in the atomic level, didn't the electrons orbit around the center nucleus which is analogous to the solar system? Or it is somewhat more complicated in the sense that this is just a particular area of study mainly to simplify things up.

As I understand it electrons don't really orbit, that's just a simplified way of explaining the topic. In fact electrons are not even "objects", more like points.
Jpjangz said:
And lastly, yeah i know that the universe is expanding, but it is expanding in a radius form or by form of starting point which travel across the X axis?

The universe isn't expanding in that sense so there isn't a centre. In the cosmology forum there's some brilliant FAQs https://www.physicsforums.com/forumdisplay.php?f=206 . There's also a thread dedicated to explaining some of the concepts behind the universe and expansion https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=261161.
Jpjangz said:
Sorry if i ask so MUCH! just got so curious and fascinated and a little annoyed that my current knowledge is so tiny little compared to yours and other great scientists

No worries, everyone starts somewhere! It's the curiosity and the enthusiasm that counts.
 
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Really thank you sincerely =)
 
Jpjangz said:
Really thank you sincerely =)

Honestly no trouble.
 
DARK ENERGY? BFD.

If the Big Bang was any sort of explosion it would simply propagate like any other explosion. Outward until the pressure within became less then the pressure into which it was exploded. Since the Big Bang exploded into nothing, then there is nothing against which it is competing.

Happily there is something known as a "scalar field" that is handy in a couple of ways. A scalar field is like a compressed spring which expands energetically until the spring is fully extended. Then it stops. This is entirely in compliance with "the inflation" theory of the early universe. That is, it expanded faster then the speed of light until one or another of the four primary forces of nature separated itself, and the speed of light became fixed.

So the question I have is this: Why did science, for almost my entire adult life, assume the Big Bang explosion was non linear? If the universe expanded into nothing it should simply continue to expand at inverse square proportion to its internal pressure.

Now we hear the universe is not expanding at an inverse proportion to the square of its internal pressure, but is expanding faster and faster. I Give Up.
 

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