Is the Clem Conical Pump Engine Actually a Functional Machine?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the viability of the Clem Conical Pump Engine as a functional machine, with participants examining claims of self-sustaining operation and the concept of "over unity" in energy production. The scope includes theoretical considerations, practical applications, and critiques of the proposed designs.

Discussion Character

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants reference plans for a hydraulic engine that allegedly runs for nine days without additional fuel, questioning its practicality.
  • Others assert that no engine can produce work without an energy input, dismissing the concept of over unity as unrealistic.
  • A participant critiques the links provided, suggesting that one describes a car powered by vegetable oil, which does not relate to over unity, highlighting a misunderstanding of fuel requirements.
  • Concerns are raised about the reliability of the claims made in the links, with one participant labeling the information as a "total crock" and noting that the only plausible aspect is the tip-jet function, which requires an energy source.
  • Another participant connects the tip-jet function to Hero's steam engine, indicating historical precedents for such technology.
  • One participant concludes that the engine is a scam, arguing that the design simply shows a turbine powered by a pump, which ceases to function when the pump is turned off.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally disagree on the functionality and practicality of the Clem Conical Pump Engine, with multiple competing views on the validity of the claims made in the sources referenced. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the engine's potential as a functional machine.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the definitions of terms like "over unity" and the assumptions underlying the claims made in the links. There is a lack of consensus on the practical implications of the proposed engine designs.

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I have found a few sites that contains plans for a hydraulic engine that could run itself for a total of nine days.
http://www.rexresearch.com/clemengn/clemengn.htm"
http://www.keelynet.com/energy/clemindex.htm"
Would it be practical to use this as an engine.
 
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Looks like a load of bobbins to me. No engine will produce work without putting energy in.
 
Two words..."over unity."
 
Oh hang on, the second link seems to show a car powered by vegetable oil. That's a far cry from the "over unity" cobblers perpertated by the first link, or did I just see various crackpot soundbites and close it down too quickly?

"I don't put any fuel in, just this vegetable oil every now and then". Idiot, that might be why you don't need to put any gasoline in. You don't need to put gasoline in a Diesel car either, what am I missing? I could put 8 gallons of vegetable oil into an engine and get it to run for 9 days, but that has nothing to do with over-unity or an engine which doesn't need fuel.
 
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There's no way that I'm going to waste time going through that whole link. From what I did read, a few pages, it's a total crock. The nearest thing to reality in there is the tip-jet function, which is used in some helicopters. That entirely relies upon a supply of high-pressure gas or fluid, which energy is required to produce, and was in fact invented in ancient Greece.
 
"tip-jet function","invented in ancient Greece"
Hero's steam engine?
 
That's the one.
 
avemt1 said:
Would it be practical to use this as an engine.
Uh, no. It's a scam. The diagram 2/3 of the way down on the first link shows a device that does absolutely nothing. It's a turbine spun by a pump - and when you shut off the pump, the tubine stops spinning.
 
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