The discussion highlights a diminishing likelihood for dark matter as recent detection experiments have failed to identify non-baryonic matter, leaving little parameter space for its existence. Alternatives proposed by researchers like J. Jalocha and F. Cooperstock suggest explanations for galaxy rotation curves without invoking dark matter. Despite these challenges, the Planck mission continues to assert a specific dark matter density based on cosmic microwave background (CMB) data, which some argue obscures significant details. The conversation also emphasizes the need for a clearer understanding of the two-point function Cl, which is crucial for interpreting CMB data and its implications for dark matter. Overall, the debate reflects ongoing questions about the validity of dark matter in light of alternative theories and observational evidence.