Is the CMBR interpretation for dark matter a fudge?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the interpretation of dark matter in light of recent experimental results and theoretical alternatives, particularly focusing on the Cosmic Microwave Background Radiation (CMBR) and its implications for dark matter density estimates. Participants explore the efficacy of dark matter in explaining astronomical phenomena, such as galaxy rotation curves, and question the reliance on dark matter models in light of competing theories.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants argue that recent dark matter detection experiments have failed to provide evidence for non-baryonic matter, suggesting a diminishing likelihood for dark matter's existence.
  • Others point out that there are numerous dark matter models that may not produce detectable signals in current experiments.
  • Concerns are raised about whether particles theorized to exist as dark matter can be considered part of physics if they are undetectable by reasonable means.
  • Participants discuss gravitational detection of dark matter, questioning the necessity of particle searches if gravitational effects are observable.
  • Some contributions highlight alternative theories that explain galaxy rotation curves without invoking dark matter or modifying gravity, but the implications of these alternatives on the broader body of evidence are debated.
  • References to literature are provided to support claims regarding alternatives to dark matter, raising questions about their validity in the context of observational evidence consistent with dark matter.
  • There is a discussion about the role of the Planck mission and its reliance on CMB data to estimate dark matter density, with some participants emphasizing that the data supports the ΛCDM model, which necessitates dark matter for consistency with various astrophysical observations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views regarding the validity and necessity of dark matter, with some supporting its existence based on CMB data and others advocating for alternative explanations. The discussion remains unresolved, with multiple competing perspectives on the interpretation of astronomical anomalies and the implications for dark matter theory.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the complexity of the evidence surrounding dark matter, including the need for clarity in the interpretation of the two-point function Cl and the challenges in reconciling different models with observational data. The discussion reflects ongoing uncertainties and assumptions about the nature of dark matter and its role in cosmology.

  • #31
EigenState137 said:
Why the belligerence towards both those who have attempted to be of assistance here and the scientific community in general?

WMAP publications

Planck publications
Apologies, if you think my response belligerent. It was not intended. I may have inadvertently stumbled on an answer to my question.
 
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  • #32
Adrian59 said:
I would have thought it was obvious that I have studied and read some advanced cosmology from the references I have given in the thread.
Throwing references around is not the same as having reached a proper understanding of those references. So, no, it has definitely not been obvious from how you have generally expressed yourself in this thread that you have understood what you have studied and read. If you had, you would have known that the way to get the prediction for the power spectrum is essentially to consider the Fourier modes of the density perturbations and how these transfer to the surface of last scattering. You would also know that there are a large number of effects influencing the density perturbations in the early Universe and that not all of them can be easily put on a "concise form" as you seem to want.
 
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  • #33
Adrian59 said:
If you can give some more mathematical pointers to the theoretical model rather than repeat the narrative, or even suggest a good reference paper, that would go some way towards settling the issue.
I can give you some references, but I won't be able to help you understand them. You can start here for an overview:
https://www.roe.ac.uk/ifa/postgrad/pedagogy/2006_tojeiro.pdf
Wayne Hu's PhD thesis goes into the gory details:
http://background.uchicago.edu/~whu/Papers/thesis.pdf
Both Peeble's and Peacock's texts go over the physics, but they're extremely dense.
 
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  • #34
Orodruin said:
Throwing references around is not the same as having reached a proper understanding of those references. So, no, it has definitely not been obvious from how you have generally expressed yourself in this thread that you have understood what you have studied and read. If you had, you would have known that the way to get the prediction for the power spectrum is essentially to consider the Fourier modes of the density perturbations and how these transfer to the surface of last scattering. You would also know that there are a large number of effects influencing the density perturbations in the early Universe and that not all of them can be easily put on a "concise form" as you seem to want.
At last I feel we are getting somewhere. Quickly dealing with your first sentence, I can reassure you that if I quote a reference it is one I have read and understood. I would like to add that until now only I have included any references. Moving to some physics, you mention density perturbations but which of these are you referring to?
However, it appears that another contributor to this thread has provided some references which I would like to check before making any further comment.
 
  • #36
Adrian59 said:
What appears obvious to you is because you have bought into this narrative
This attitude is not going to lead to a productive discussion. Thread closed.
 

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