Is the concept of space and time before the Big Bang scientifically irrelevant?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of space and time in relation to the Big Bang, specifically questioning whether these concepts are scientifically relevant before the Big Bang. Participants explore theories regarding the generation of the continuum and the implications of modern cosmology.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that space and time did not exist before the Big Bang, questioning how the continuum was generated.
  • Others argue that the lack of observational data and breakdown of calculations at t=0 leave uncertainty about the nature of time and space prior to the Big Bang.
  • One participant mentions that many physical theories do not address how the continuum was generated, with braneworld models typically assuming branes exist from the beginning.
  • There is a perspective that modern cosmology does not necessarily view the Big Bang as the absolute beginning, suggesting that our observable universe may be just a small part of a larger, possibly infinite universe undergoing processes like eternal inflation.
  • Another viewpoint expresses a sense of existential concern regarding the implications of an infinite universe populated with duplicates, suggesting that the observable universe is the only accessible laboratory for scientific inquiry, thus rendering questions about the pre-Big Bang era scientifically irrelevant.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views, with no consensus on the relevance of space and time before the Big Bang. Some agree on the lack of observational evidence, while others emphasize the philosophical implications of an infinite universe.

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Limitations include the dependence on definitions of space and time, the unresolved nature of calculations at t=0, and the speculative nature of theories regarding the existence of regions outside the observable universe.

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Space and time did not exist during the big bang or before. Are there any theories as to how the continuum was generated?
 
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Superposed_Cat said:
Space and time did not exist during the big bang or before.

We don't know this. We cannot see back that far into the past and our calculations break down at t=0.

Are there any theories as to how the continuum was generated?

I've read some stuff on branes and whatnot, but I've never really put any stock into any of them.
 
What calculations? Where can I learn about this online?
 
Generally these kinds of questions are not addressed by physical theories (how the continuum was generated, for example). Even the braneworld models that Drakkith mentions generally just assume that the branes are their from the beginning. One important thing to point out, however, is that modern cosmology does not necessarily place much significance in the big bang as being *the* beginning of all there is. All we know, observationally, is that our observable universe arose from a hot, dense state. Our observable universe should not be identified with *the* universe (there's probably more out there waiting to be observed). With the advent of the inflationary universe paradigm (in which the observable universe underwent an ultra-rapid exponential expansion early on), it is perhaps more natural to envision the observable universe as just one small "island" patch amid a larger universe, parts of which are still undergoing inflation (this is called "eternal inflation"). With this view, the big bang was an event local to our observable universe.
 
Yes, but, some of us feel the need to be special. How can we feel special when our observable universe is merely a grain of sand on an eternal, infinite beach, and the 'universe' is populated with an infinite number of exact copies of ourselves [how depressing is that]? The problem and answer is we are stuck with the observable universe as our only accessible laboratory. We cannot yet even imagine how to test the hypothesis that anything exists external to our observable universe. We can logically infer such 'regions' must exist, but, logic is not science. IMO, that renders the question scientifically irrelevant.
 

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