Is the Dream State Our Afterlife?

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The discussion centers on the topic of what happens after death, with participants sharing various theories and personal experiences. Many express the belief that individuals may experience an afterlife reflective of their expectations or beliefs, such as meeting deceased loved ones or encountering a version of heaven. Some contributors reference spiritual traditions, particularly from Indian philosophy, discussing concepts like the subtle body and the soul's journey after death. There is a debate about the nature of consciousness, with some arguing that consciousness may persist beyond physical death while others assert that it ceases to exist. The conversation touches on the idea that enlightenment or states like nirvana represent a form of liberation from the cycle of life and death. Participants also explore the intersection of science and metaphysics, questioning the validity of scientific explanations regarding consciousness and existence. Overall, the thread reflects a blend of personal anecdotes, philosophical musings, and spiritual insights regarding the mysteries of life after death.
  • #61


Originally posted by Messiah
Neither. Your body is something you wear, not what you are.
If you think the only form of existence is material, you must not believe in space. You are wearing a mud pack genetically engineered over eons of evolution. It is a tool.
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Thankyou, I stated that fact ages ago. I only posted my last few posts to get you to agree with me and I thank you for doing so.
 
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  • #62
dear odin,
existence is NOT futile! but then again, It Is. because you are eternal, it is impossible to resist existence, odin.
 
  • #63
Mrrrr

Originally posted by phoenixthoth
dear odin,
existence is NOT futile! but then again, It Is. because you are eternal, it is impossible to resist existence, odin.

Tis just a play on the phrase "Resistance is futile". But you just had to ruin it didn't you! Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!?
 
  • #64
i know that resistance is futile, in certain situations.
 
  • #65


Originally posted by Odin
Thankyou, I stated that fact ages ago. I only posted my last few posts to get you to agree with me and I thank you for doing so.

OK...OK...NOW I remember you.
Weren't you the one who said the Big Bang wouldn't last over an eon?
 
  • #66
ROFL!
 
  • #67
Ageless and infinite existence has no meaning.

There is no right without wrong,
There is no light without dark,
There is no life without death.
 
  • #68
maybe.
 
  • #69


Originally posted by Messiah
OK...OK...NOW I remember you.
Weren't you the one who said the Big Bang wouldn't last over an eon?
Uh Not that I can remember, I don't remember stateing that but it sounds like me so I'm going to go with "your thinkin' of someone else".
 
  • #70


Originally posted by Odin
Uh Not that I can remember, I don't remember stateing that but it sounds like me so I'm going to go with "your thinkin' of someone else".
No - it was DEFINITELY you. Remember . . . we were all silicon based beings swimming in an atmosphere of methane and hydrogen - It used to bleach our claws purple . . .
 
  • #71


Originally posted by Messiah
No - it was DEFINITELY you. Remember . . . we were all silicon based beings swimming in an atmosphere of methane and hydrogen - It used to bleach our claws purple . . .
Hold on you survived!? How?? Why?? And you are definitely color-blind, it bleached our claws a pale shade of black. And here I was thinking that you were dead. Ok, so give me your address and I'll hunt you down:wink:. Don't worry I can wait all day; I still have to polish the guns...
 
  • #72


Originally posted by Odin
Hold on you survived!? How?? Why?? And you are definitely color-blind, it bleached our claws a pale shade of black. And here I was thinking that you were dead. Ok, so give me your address and I'll hunt you down:wink:. Don't worry I can wait all day; I still have to polish the guns...

I was dead - I've been dead 12.6^38 times since then - and it gets to be more fun each time.

I'm now on the third planet from sol - close to the equator. Look me up and we'll have an old fashioned duel - like in the old days with the coglac's before their three suns blew apart. It's hard to find pargon chips on this ball of dirt, though.
 
  • #73


Originally posted by Messiah
I was dead - I've been dead 12.6^38 times since then - and it gets to be more fun each time.

I'm now on the third planet from sol - close to the equator. Look me up and we'll have an old fashioned duel - like in the old days with the coglac's before their three suns blew apart. It's hard to find pargon chips on this ball of dirt, though.
tell me about it I've been blown up about 500 times so far and half of them I've survived. they're real fun! A duel sounds great hows about three weapons of users choise each. first to kill the other 300 times wins. ok?
 
  • #74
olde drunk said:
well we can't "prove" anything after death, scientically.

distilling all the material that i have read the best explanation i can offer is that you will initially experience what you expected.

e.g. if you were a devout christian, loved your mother, and believed in heaven; you would be met by your mother and led thru the experience. i suspect that the terrorists that expected virgins were met by virgins and led into something other than a sexual experience.

these personalities would arrive after the 'whitelight' thingy. i sat with my mother as she passed. she went out having a conversation with her mother during the last 10-15 minutes. that was 37 years ago and really made and impression.

i have put in a conscious request to be met by Elvis but i do not think we are psychically connected.

peace,

I think you are very probably right, i think the inital experience when you die is a culturally biased limbo state that eases you into the final stage of death. Some would say that beyond this bardo state there is nothing atall although others have claimed to have gone pasted this threashold and experienced a reality beyond words.
 
  • #75
Deeviant said:
Why does taking a very physical drug effect your consciousness if physical matter had nothing to do with your consciousness.

Perhaps the brain is used as an interface by consciousness.

-Ray.
 
  • #76
Why worry about death.Its going to happen no matter what,born to die.So live your life the way you see fit ,if we get judged by anyone it will be you as the judge.Live your life,you can't lie to yourself but you can judge yourself
 
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  • #78
not something to dwell on...


obviously no such thing as physical death, simply matter in constant cycle of transfer.

question of consciousness living on?

what you believe (linked to knowledge) will happen.

peace :wink:
 
  • #79
Ah; so this is where the magus hangs out. Greetings all. Death...soon enough. When I was a bit younger than my almost seventy summers, I read an article regarding the new electron microscope, and its ability to enlarge an image as tiny as the area in our brains which produces the electrical energy required to initiate the dream state. It appeared to be similar to an underground cable leading to a pillbox atop a hill in a surreal landscape. I thought, at the time, that if a physical body decomposed to its molecular level of immateriality, could not the initiated dream state continue to function at this level, keeping the conscious essence of an individual's mind vibrant, and producing a dream reality, based on the cumulative experience of the individual, alive? Who knows, but the Shadow, of what lurks in the minds of men...I'll let you know [or not], eventually. With respect, and in friendship.
harveyf
 

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