Is the equation z^z + 1 = 0 solvable?

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The discussion revolves around the solvability of the equation z^z + 1 = 0 within the context of complex numbers. Participants explore various mathematical approaches, including the use of the Lambert W function, and consider the implications of complex analysis theorems on the existence of solutions.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses initial skepticism about the solvability of the equation, believing it to be unsolvable until challenged by Mathematica's solution.
  • Another participant suggests using trigonometric identities to represent complex numbers, although the relevance of this approach is questioned.
  • A participant points out that certain equations are known to be unsolvable with complex numbers, seeking clarification on which those might be.
  • It is proposed that the Lambert W function can be used to manipulate the equation into a solvable form, with hints on taking logarithms and changing variables.
  • Some participants argue that using polar form may complicate the solution process rather than simplify it.
  • One participant elaborates on the geometric interpretation of the Lambert W function and its implications for the solutions of the equation, emphasizing the complexity of the surfaces involved.
  • Another participant suggests a simpler solution by evaluating (-1)^(-1), indicating a potential oversight in the complexity of the previous methods discussed.
  • A participant notes that most equations in complex numbers will have solutions, referencing the Fundamental Theorem of Algebra and other complex analysis theorems.
  • It is mentioned that while many functions will have solutions in complex numbers, some functions may not, particularly when considering mappings from complex to real numbers.

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Participants express a range of views on the methods for solving the equation, with no consensus on a single approach. Some advocate for the Lambert W function while others suggest simpler alternatives or question the necessity of complex transformations.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the complexity of the equation and the various mathematical tools available for its analysis, but does not resolve the question of solvability definitively. The interplay between complex and real solutions is also noted, with references to the limitations of certain functions.

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This discussion may be useful for those interested in complex analysis, mathematical problem-solving techniques, and the exploration of solvability in equations involving complex numbers.

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Long back (not so much long back), when I was first introduced to complex numbers, my mind was flooded with strange and interesting curiosities (as they appeared to me!), rather ideas. Of course this realm of mathematics is, as the mathematicians are fond of saying, is remarkably beautiful. As I studied these (complexes!) further and their applications, a strange feeling of asymmetry and limitations developed (Which I will describe no further). But, before that some interesting analogies (which I now suspect to be incorrect) forced me look for some insolvable equations. That time thought of the following equation
[tex]z^{z}+1=0[/tex]
and happily thought that it was unsolvable.
My thoughts were shattered by mathematica (which solved it, but never gave the procedure)
Can anyone help (rather mathematica in hurting me further!) by giving some hints for solving this equation.
 
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Ever considered how a complex number could be represented using trig identities?
 
Hmm, can someone remind me which equations are not solvable with complex numbers? (apart from division by zero)
 
The solution will use the Lambert W function, defined by

[tex]W(z)e^{W(z)} = z[/tex]

The lambert W function has infinitely many complex branches, denoted by [itex]W_k(z)[/itex].

Manipulating [itex]z^z = -1[/itex] to look like that will give the solution. (Hint: take a logarithm of both sides, then use a suitable change of variables for z)
 
Mute, you are making it much more difficult than it has to be.

Gerenuk, set [tex]z = re^{i\theta}[/tex] (polar form).
 
I don't think that helps. I haven't carried out the working, but being able to solve that equation in the Complex numbers would imply we could solve it for real solutions using that method as well, and we know that for the reals, that equation does require the Lambert W function.
 
Jarle said:
Mute, you are making it much more difficult than it has to be.

Gerenuk, set [tex]z = re^{i\theta}[/tex] (polar form).

I would like to see how it could be done more easily, then.
 
mechprog said:
Of course this realm of mathematics is, as the mathematicians are fond of saying, is remarkably beautiful.

The Lambert W function in my opinion is a perfectly suitable algebraic transformation to use that is no different than taking the sine of both sides. The algebra is one thing, but it's the geometry that is the really beautiful part of this expression. Most people don't get to see that geometry because it's tough to visualize and the composite nature of the solution makes it even more difficult because the geometry is bifurcating. So do what Mute said to do. I get something like:

[tex]z\log(z)=\log(-1)[/tex]

[tex]\vdots[/tex]

[tex]\log(-1)=1/z \log(-1)e^{\log(-1)/z}[/tex]

Then take the Lambert W of both sides and rearrange to get:

[tex]z=\frac{log(-1)}{W[\log(-1)]}[/tex]

Note that's not what Mathematica reports but rather only the principal branch of [itex]\log(-1)=\pi i[/itex].

Now, both the log and the W function are infinitely-valued, so for every branch of [itex]log(z)=ln|z|+i(\theta+2k\pi)[/itex], the W function has an infinite number of values. But that's only the algebra. The actual function:

[tex]z=\frac{log(w)}{W[\log(w)]}[/tex]

has real and imaginary surfaces that look like twisted funnels that fold into themselves infinitely often with each fold bifurcating into an infinite number of "sub-folds" with the solution to this problem then lining up along a vertical line above the point w=-1 where the line intersects each surface of the folds.

That geometry is the true beauty of this problem in my opinion.
 
jackmell said:
[tex]z=\frac{log(-1)}{W[\log(-1)]}[/tex].

We should also note that this is equivalent to

[tex]z = \exp\left[W(\log(-1))\right].[/tex]
(this is the form I wrote it as, which my hint pertains to).
 
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My fault, I misread the equation.
 
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Although the above methods are more elegant and thorough, if you're just looking for any solution, consider this: what is (-1)^(-1)?
 
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Although the above methods are more elegant and thorough, if you're just looking for any solution, consider this: what is (-1)^(-1)?
why it never occurred to me?

Well, having seen all this I must look for other equations (which can elude complex numbers for solution) to satisfy my quest.
One of my friend suggested
[tex]|z|+1=0[/tex]
but it doesn't strike as fertile.
 
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Since you haven't been working with complex numbers for too long, you should probably just take it from us that the vast vast majority of equations you can think of will have solutions in C. This is because of some powerful theorems such as the Fundamental Theorem of Algebra that states that any non constant polynomial with complex coefficients has a solution in C.

There's another very strong theorem from complex analysis that states that if an entire function (complex differentiable over the entire complex plane) is non-constant, then it will pass through every complex value, except perhaps excluding only one.

Another thing you should note is that R is a subset of C, so if the equation has solutions in R, it does in C as well.

However, there will be some functions of a complex variable that will have no solution, and you find some by looking for functions from C to R, not from C to C. Then you just have to think of functions that have no solutions in R, such as |z| +1 =0 as your friend suggested. If you were looking for an equation with no solution in R, that does "strike as fertile".
 

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