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Not to mention the even larger number of physicists working on string theory, loop quantum gravity, and similar concepts that are attempting to go beyond the standard model.
D H said:Special relativity and general relativity are kinematic theories: They explain what happens, but not how/why it happen. They describe mathematically what is to be expected but do not say how those interactions come to be. Talking about the "fabric of space-time" is in a sense attributing a "how" without any underlying mechanism.
D H said:The assumption that the speed of light is the same to all inertial observers is clearly motivated by Maxwell's equations. That the speed of light is the same to all observers is right there in Maxwell's equations.
Maxwell's equations differ markedly from the mathematical description of all other wave phenomena in one key aspect. The speed at which other waves propagate depends on the speed of the observer with respect to the transmission medium. That is not the case in Maxwell's equations. The speed at which electromagnetic propagate is c, period. The speed of the observer does not appear in those equations.
No, I am dismissing Lorentz Ether Theory because it is a dead-end theory based on two incredibly ad hoc axioms and one non-scientific axiom. There is no forward path with Lorentz Ether Theory.Saw said:You want to dismiss grav-universe because he looks for reasons, but when you discuss with me you want to asseverate that you do have some physical reasons for your postulates.
Mistaken? About what? That Maxwell's equations makes no allowance for the speed of the observer? It is very clear that they don't. The speed of the observer never enters the equations. That Einstein wasn't strongly motivated by Maxwell's equations in his choice of the invariance of the speed of light as an axiom? Read his 1905 paper. The second half is entirely devoted to Maxwell's equations.Saw said:You are mistaken.D H said:The assumption that the speed of light is the same to all inertial observers is clearly motivated by Maxwell's equations. That the speed of light is the same to all observers is right there in Maxwell's equations.
Maxwell's equations differ markedly from the mathematical description of all other wave phenomena in one key aspect. The speed at which other waves propagate depends on the speed of the observer with respect to the transmission medium. That is not the case in Maxwell's equations. The speed at which electromagnetic propagate is c, period. The speed of the observer does not appear in those equations.
Maxwell believed in an ether for the simple reason that all other wave phenomena require a medium. After the fact, no such medium is required. We now know that the photon is the quantum of electromagnetic interactions -- something that Maxwell couldn't have known. Photons don't require a physical medium. They move through space. The luminiferous aether as proposed and modified by those end of the 19th century physicists cannot be detected, is not needed, and is not scientific.As you yourself noted, Maxwell believed in an ether. And he believed that the speed of light of his equations was c only in the ether frame.
D H said:No, I am dismissing Lorentz Ether Theory because it is a dead-end theory based on two incredibly ad hoc axioms and one non-scientific axiom. There is no forward path with Lorentz Ether Theory.
D H said:Mistaken? About what? That Maxwell's equations makes no allowance for the speed of the observer? It is very clear that they don't. The speed of the observer never enters the equations.
D H said:That Einstein wasn't strongly motivated by Maxwell's equations in his choice of the invariance of the speed of light as an axiom? Read his 1905 paper. The second half is entirely devoted to Maxwell's equations.
Lorentz Ether Theory has zero advantages over special relativity and many disadvantages. Physicist instructors do not teach Lorentz Ether Theory for exactly the same reason they no longer teach the caloric theory of heat. Both are defunct. The sole reason Lorentz Ether Theory has been revived as of late is because the internet is chock-full of anti-relativity, anti-zionist trolls.Saw said:I just say that there is no reason to dismiss it as a model, which would have the advantages stated above: its being didactic and its serving to rule out absurd consequences that the math itself does not rule out.
They are incredibly complex and ad hoc axioms. Show me how time dilation, length contraction, and relativity of simultaneity derive from the assumption of an absolute ether frame.In the context of the ether model, TD, LC and RofS are not simply axioms.