Is the exponential function, the only function where y'=y?

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The discussion centers around the question of whether the exponential function is the only function that satisfies the differential equation ##y' = y##. Participants explore the uniqueness of solutions to this equation, considering various proofs and mathematical reasoning.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that the general solution to the equation can be expressed as ##y = A e^x##, where ##A## is a constant.
  • Others question whether this form is sufficient to conclude that it is the only solution, raising concerns about the uniqueness of the solution.
  • One participant suggests rewriting the equation as ##\frac{d}{dx}e^{-x}y = 0##, leading to the conclusion that ##e^{-x}y = C##, indicating a constant relationship.
  • Another participant points out that dividing by ##y## is problematic when ##y = 0##, suggesting that this case should be considered in the general solution.
  • Some participants reference the Picard-Lindelöf theorem as a potential method to address the uniqueness of solutions.
  • There is a mention of using the quotient rule to show that if ##y' = y##, then ##(y/e^x)' = 0##, leading to further implications about the solutions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the uniqueness of the solution to the differential equation. While some agree on the general form of the solution, others raise questions about the implications of certain mathematical steps and the treatment of specific cases, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations regarding the treatment of the case when ##y = 0## and the implications of dividing by ##y##. The discussion also reflects varying interpretations of the uniqueness of solutions based on different mathematical approaches.

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Hello,I was wondering. Is the exponential function, the only function where ##y'=y##.

I know we can write an infinite amount of functions just by multiplying ##e^{x}## by a constant. This is not my point.

Lets say in general, is there another function other than ##y(x)=ae^{x}## (##a## is a constant), where ##\frac{dy}{dx}=y##.I would really appreciate it if we can work a proof.
 
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Proof:
\begin{align*}
\frac{dy}{dx}&=y\\
\frac{dy}y&=dx\quad\quad\quad\textrm{[separation of variables]}\\
\log y + C &= x + D\quad\ \ \textrm{[integrating both sides]}\\
y&= e^xe^{D-C}\quad\textrm{[exponentiating both sides]}\\
y&=A e^x\quad\quad\ \ \textrm{[where $A=e^{D-C}$ is a constant]}
\end{align*}
 
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andrewkirk said:
Proof:
\begin{align*}
\frac{dy}{dx}&=y\\
\frac{dy}y&=dx\quad\quad\quad\textrm{[separation of variables]}\\
\log y + C &= x + D\quad\ \ \textrm{[integrating both sides]}\\
y&= e^xe^{D-C}\quad\textrm{[exponentiating both sides]}\\
y&=A e^x\quad\quad\ \ \textrm{[where $A=e^{D-C}$ is a constant]}
\end{align*}

Exactly. But I was thinking. Is this enough to say that it is the only solution?

I know this sounds hilarious, but when I studied calculus no one pointed out that the solution is unique. Is it?
 
we have
##\dfrac{d}{dx}y=y##
let us rewrite it as
##\dfrac{d}{dx}e^{-x}y=0##
now consider
##\dfrac{d}{dx}u=0##
what can we say about u?
 
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lurflurf said:
we have
##\dfrac{d}{dx}y=y##
let us rewrite it as
##\dfrac{d}{dx}e^{-x}y=0##
now consider
##\dfrac{d}{dx}u=0##
what can we say about u?

Constant w.r.t x
 
^then the only solutions are
##e^{-x}y=C##
as desired
 
Phylosopher said:
Exactly. But I was thinking. Is this enough to say that it is the only solution?

I know this sounds hilarious, but when I studied calculus no one pointed out that the solution is unique. Is it?

More generally:

https://math.berkeley.edu/~shinms/SP14-54/diffeq-thms.pdf
 
lurflurf said:
^then the only solutions are
##e^{-x}y=C##
as desired

I get your point. Thanks

PeroK said:
More generally:

https://math.berkeley.edu/~shinms/SP14-54/diffeq-thms.pdf

I will give it a try and read it. Thanks
 
Phylosopher said:
Exactly. But I was thinking. Is this enough to say that it is the only solution?
Step-by-step, there are no alternatives except for the choice of C and D.
 
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Phylosopher said:
Is this enough to say that it is the only solution?
You can use Picard-Lindelöf. :wink:
 
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andrewkirk said:
Proof:
\begin{align*}
\frac{dy}{dx}&=y\\
\frac{dy}y&=dx\quad\quad\quad\textrm{[separation of variables]}\\
\log y + C &= x + D\quad\ \ \textrm{[integrating both sides]}\\
y&= e^xe^{D-C}\quad\textrm{[exponentiating both sides]}\\
y&=A e^x\quad\quad\ \ \textrm{[where $A=e^{D-C}$ is a constant]}
\end{align*}

You divided by ##y##, which is not allowed when ##y = 0##.

This happens to be a solution, which can be included if you take ##y = A\exp(x)## with ##A \geq 0## as general solution (instead of ##A > 0)##
 
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to expand on lurflurf's solution, use the quotient rule to show that if y'=y, then (y/e^x)' = 0, hence y/e^x = constant.

using this a lemma, one can deduce that the kernel of the linear constant coefficient operator P(D), where Df = f' and P is a polynomial of degree n, has dimension n. see my web notes on linear algebra, last section of chapter 5, roughly page 119:

http://alpha.math.uga.edu/%7Eroy/laprimexp.pdf

briefly, the argument above gives the kernel of the operator (D-1) which generalizes to that of (D-c) and then by factoring a polynomial P(D) into products of linear factors of form (D-c), we get the result.
 
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