Is the following equation a wave?

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The discussion revolves around whether the equation represented by \( e^{x - vt} \) qualifies as a wave. Participants explore the characteristics of waves, the implications of energy requirements, and the mathematical properties of the function in relation to the wave equation.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that a wave is typically represented by \( f(x - vt) \) and question whether \( e^{x - vt} \) can be considered a wave due to energy requirements.
  • Others argue that the function \( e^{x - vt} \) satisfies the wave equation, but they express concerns about its physical interpretation and energy implications.
  • One participant notes that if the energy density of the wave increases with amplitude, it could imply the need for infinite energy.
  • Some participants challenge the classification of \( e^{x - vt} \) as a wave, suggesting it does not meet the criteria for a solution to the wave equation.
  • There is a discussion about the significance of \( \omega \) in the context of oscillation, with some stating that a single pulse can still be considered a wave.
  • Participants mention the necessity of applying boundary conditions to determine the validity of solutions to the wave equation.
  • Concerns are raised about the implications of a purely real function and its relationship to periodicity and frequency components.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express multiple competing views regarding the classification of \( e^{x - vt} \) as a wave, with no consensus reached on its physical validity or energy implications.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations related to boundary conditions and the physical interpretation of mathematical solutions, particularly regarding energy density and oscillation.

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We know that a wave is represented by f(x - vt) and it follows the differential wave equation. e^(x - vt) satisfies both the condition. But is it really a wave? Because to sustain the wave we need infinite energy which is not possible. So what's happening here?
 
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Aritra Kundu said:
We know that a wave is represented by f(x - vt)
Not necessarily, if f=ln this is not a wave.
Aritra Kundu said:
e^(x - vt) satisfies both the condition.
I assume you are referring to the complex exponential
$$e^{i(kx-\omega t)}$$.
Aritra Kundu said:
But is it really a wave?
Yes
Aritra Kundu said:
Because to sustain the wave we need infinite energy which is not possible
Why do you think this wave requires infinite energy?
 
Aritra Kundu said:
Because to sustain the wave we need infinite energy which is not possible.
For the wave you have written down, I would agree with you - so long as the energy density of the wave increases with the wave amplitude ;)
 
NFuller said:
Not necessarily, if f=ln this is not a wave.

I assume you are referring to the complex exponential
$$e^{i(kx-\omega t)}$$.

Yes

Why do you think this wave requires infinite energy?

No its not complex exponential.

And it requires infinite energy because at x --> infinity, the function tends to infinity. It's energy density increases with x. So it need to be supplied with energy for infinity.
 
Aritra Kundu said:
No its not complex exponential.
Then it is not a wave. This is not a solution to the wave equation.
 
NFuller said:
Then it is not a wave. This is not a solution to the wave equation.

It satisfies the wave equation. You can check, by double differentiating it with x and t.
 
Aritra Kundu said:
It satisfies the wave equation.
Looking at how the function varies with x or with t it seems to describe a function that increases without limit as x increases and tends to zero as t increases. Is that what you would describe as a wave? (Just giving it a reality check)
Not all Maths has meaning in the Physical World.
 
Aritra Kundu said:
It satisfies the wave equation.
Yes, sorry about that. But it is not really a wave because what does ##\omega## signify here if there is no oscillation?
It is common practice to throw out solutions which do not satisfy boundary conditions. In this case it doesn't make sense for the solution to blow up as x goes to infinity.
 
NFuller said:
what does ωω\omega signify here if there is no oscillation?
There needn't be any oscillation. A single pulse can constitute a wave when there is only one single excursion from the equilibrium condition.
But you are right to say that you always need to apply boundary conditions.
 
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sophiecentaur said:
A single pulse can constitute a wave when there is only one single excursion from the equilibrium condition.
This would consist of many values of ##\omega## via a Fourier transform of a delta function. The issue here is what does e^(##\omega t##) signify being purely real?
 
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NFuller said:
This would consist of many values of ##\omega## via a Fourier transform of a delta function. The issue here is what does e^(##\omega t##) signify being purely real?
The frequency domain is a valid way to express a wave but a single pulse involves an infinite number of frequency components (the harmonics of zero fundamental) and the pulse is not 'periodic'. The use of a particular symbol (ω) doesn't actually imply periodicity and the OP is referring to a Real Function (afaics).
Btw, the delta function need not be involved here.
 

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