Is the Function F(x, y) Continuous at All Points?

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The discussion centers around the continuity of the function F(x, y) defined on R x R, specifically examining its behavior at all points, including the origin. Participants explore the implications of continuity in each variable separately and the overall continuity of the function.

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  • One participant asserts they can demonstrate that F is continuous in each variable separately but expresses uncertainty about computing g(x) and showing F is not continuous.
  • Another participant suggests that to show F is not continuous, one could examine the limits approaching (0, 0) along different paths, specifically noting that the limits from F(x, 0) and F(0, y) may differ.
  • A different participant introduces a broader question regarding conditions under which the continuity of functions in each variable implies overall continuity, referencing the use of homotopies in topology.
  • Another participant discusses the implications of continuity in each variable not guaranteeing overall continuity, referencing a counterexample and questioning the conditions needed for continuity in homotopies.

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Participants express differing views on the continuity of F, with some proposing methods to demonstrate discontinuity while others raise theoretical questions about continuity in general. No consensus is reached on the overall continuity of F.

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Participants highlight the need for specific conditions or additional assumptions to establish continuity in the context of homotopies and functions defined on product spaces. The discussion remains open-ended regarding the implications of continuity in each variable.

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Let F: R x R -> R be defined by the equation
F(x x y) = { xy/(x^2 + y^2) if x x y \neq 0 x 0 ; 0 if x x y = 0 x 0
a. Show that F is continuous in each variable separately.
b. Compute the function g: R-> R defined by g(x) = F(x x x)
c. Show that F is not continuous.

I know how to do part a...
but I'm not sure how to do b or c.

If you can help me out that would be great! thank you!
 
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Well, b seems rather straightforward, just plug it in.

For c, you could show that there is a point for which the limit value depends on the path you take. For example, showing that
\lim_{x \to 0} F(x, 0) \neq \lim_{y \to 0} F(0, y)
would prove that F is not continuous at (0, 0) because then it shouldn't matter how you get to (0, 0). I think that b should give you a hint on which point and paths to consider :)
 
Sorry to rehash something so old; I was doing a search for the general situation;
wonder if someone knows the answer:

An important/interesting question would be if we can add some new condition
so that if f(x,.) and f(.,y) are continuous, then so is f(x,y).

For one thing, the continuity of maps f:XxY-->Z is often used in constructing
homotopies; I have never seen the issue of why/when these homotopies are
continuous.
 
Sorry, I can't access the 'Edit' button for some reason.

A standard counter to having a function beeing continuous in each variable, yet
not overall continuous is the one given by tomboi03.

My point is that a homotopy between functions f,g, is defined to be a _continuous_ map H(x,t) with H(x,0)=f and H(x,1)=g. Since we cannot count on H(x,t) being continuous when each of H(x,.) and H(.,y) is continuous :what kind of result do we use to show that our map H(x,t) is continuous? Do we use the 'good-old' inverse image of an open set is open , or do we use the sequential continuity result that [{x_n}->x ] ->[f(x_n)=f(x)]
(with nets if necessary, i.e., if XxI is not 1st-countable)?

I saw a while back an interesting argument that if continuity on each variable alone
was enough to guarantee continuity, then every space would have trivial fundamental group:

e.g, for S^1, use H(e^i*2Pi*t,s) :=e^i2Pi(t)^s
 

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