Is the Ideal (x) in k[x, y] a Prime Ideal?

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The discussion centers on whether the ideal (x) in the polynomial ring k[x, y] is a prime ideal. Participants explore the properties of ideals in the context of multivariate polynomials, particularly focusing on the implications of the ideal being primary and prime.

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  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Peter references an example from Dummit and Foote, noting that the ideal (x) is stated to be primary since it is a prime ideal, but seeks clarification on how to demonstrate that (x) is indeed prime in k[x, y].
  • Deveno proposes a reasoning involving the divisibility of polynomials, suggesting that if $x|f(x,y)$, then $f(0,\alpha) = 0$ for all $\alpha \in k$. This leads to a conclusion about the nature of the ideal.
  • Deveno argues that if $x|f(x,y) = g(x,y)h(x,y)$ and $x \not\mid g(x,y)$, then it must follow that $h(0,\alpha) = 0$, indicating that $x|h(x,y)$, which supports the claim that $x$ is a prime element.
  • Peter expresses appreciation for Deveno's explanation and indicates that he finds the reasoning fundamental and interesting.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants appear to agree on the reasoning provided by Deveno regarding the prime nature of the ideal (x), but the discussion remains open as Peter initially sought clarification and the topic is inherently complex.

Contextual Notes

The discussion does not resolve all assumptions about the properties of ideals in polynomial rings, particularly in the context of multivariate polynomials, and relies on the definitions and properties of prime and primary ideals.

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Example (2) on page 682 of Dummit and Foote reads as follows:

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(2) For any field k, the ideal (x) in k[x,y] is primary since it is a prime ideal.

... ... etc

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Now if (x) is prime then obviously (x) is primary BUT ...

How do we show that (x) is prime in k[x, y]?

Would appreciate some help

Peter

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I'm a bit rusty on multi-variate polynomials, but this is what I think is true:

$x|f(x,y) \iff f(0,\alpha) = 0,\ \forall \alpha \in k$

Now suppose that $x|f(x,y) = g(x,y)h(x,y)$ with $x \not\mid g(x,y)$.

We have (for any $\alpha \in k$), $0 = f(0,\alpha) = g(0,\alpha)h(0,\alpha)$ with $g(0,\alpha) \neq 0$.

Since $k$ is a field (and thus an integral domain), it must be the case that for any such $\alpha$ (and thus all of them), that $h(0,\alpha) = 0$, showing that $x|h(x,y)$.

In short, $x$ is a prime element of $k[x,y]$ and thus generates a prime ideal.
 
Thanks Deveno.

Just working through your post now

Peter
 
Peter said:
Thanks Deveno.

Just working through your post now

Peter

Just worked through your post

Really fundamental and interesting way to show (x) is a prime ideal in k[x,y] ...thanks

Peter
 

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