Is the Intersection of Even and Odd Function Subspaces Only the Zero Function?

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The discussion revolves around the properties of even and odd functions within the vector space of all functions from R to R. Participants explore the subspace characteristics of even and odd functions, specifically addressing whether their intersection contains only the zero function, as well as the implications for their sum.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that the intersection of even and odd functions, denoted as E and O respectively, can be expressed as the set of functions that satisfy both properties, leading to the conclusion that E ∩ O = {0}.
  • One participant suggests using proof by contradiction to explore the intersection, proposing to assume it is not empty and derive a contradiction.
  • Another participant emphasizes the need for careful consideration regarding the sum of even and odd functions, suggesting that any function can be decomposed into its even and odd parts.
  • There is a reiteration of the argument that the zero function is included in both E and O, but the validity of the assumption of another function in the intersection is questioned.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the definitions and properties of even and odd functions, but there is no consensus on the necessity of using proof by contradiction for the intersection claim. The discussion on the sum of even and odd functions also remains open-ended, with differing interpretations of how to approach part (c).

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Participants express varying levels of confidence in their approaches, with some suggesting additional proof techniques while others question the rigor of existing arguments. The discussion reflects uncertainty regarding the implications of definitions and the need for careful argumentation.

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Let V be the vector space of all functions from R to R, equipped with the usual
operations of function addition and scalar multiplication. Let E be the subset of even
functions, so E = {f [tex]\epsilon[/tex] V |f(x) = f(−x), [tex]\forall[/tex]x [tex]\epsilon[/tex] R} , and let O be the subset of odd
functions, so that O = {f [tex]\epsilon[/tex] V |f(x) = −f(−x), [tex]\forall[/tex]x [tex]\epsilon[/tex] R} . Prove that:
(a) E and O are subspaces of V .
(b) E [tex]\cap[/tex] O = {0}.
(c) E + O = V .
 
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This is a good problem.

I don't think this should be too difficult for you. I think all you need is a few tips to help you get it. How about you show us what you have done so far?

Basically, all you need to do is apply your definitions. and use one of your proof techniques. For example, in "b" try using proof by contradiction. So assume that th intersection of E and O is not empty, and see where this leads you.

Give the problem a try or tell us your ideas at least and then someone will give you some good comments and feedback. :)
 
i did a)
trying b and see where it leads

thanks
 
for b)

i said
E[tex]\cap[/tex]O= {f[tex]\epsilon[/tex]v | f(x)= f(-x) and f(x)=-f(-x), [tex]\forall[/tex]x[tex]\epsilon[/tex]R}
E[tex]\cap[/tex]O= {f[tex]\epsilon[/tex]v | f(x)= -f(x), [tex]\forall[/tex]x[tex]\epsilon[/tex]R}
E[tex]\cap[/tex]O= {f[tex]\epsilon[/tex]v | f(x)= 0, [tex]\forall[/tex]x[tex]\epsilon[/tex]R}
E[tex]\cap[/tex]O= {0} (f(x) =0 is the zero function)

what do you think?
 
do we need contradiction?
and how about c) any idea??
 
Be careful with c) E+ O is the space spanned by the vectors in E and in O. In other words, functions in it can be written as a linear combination of even and odd functions.

You might want to think about this: Given any function f, we can define
a) [itex]f_E(x)= (f(x)+ f(-x))/2[/itex], the even "part" of f
b) [itex]f_O(x)= (f(x)- f(-x))/2[/itex], the odd "part" of f

Can you see that [itex]f_E[/itex] is an even function and that [itex]f_O[/itex] is an odd function? And that [itex]f(x)= f_E(x)+ f_O(x)[/itex]? What does that tell you about part c?
 
vdgreat said:
for b)

i said
E[tex]\cap[/tex]O= {f[tex]\epsilon[/tex]v | f(x)= f(-x) and f(x)=-f(-x), [tex]\forall[/tex]x[tex]\epsilon[/tex]R}
E[tex]\cap[/tex]O= {f[tex]\epsilon[/tex]v | f(x)= -f(x), [tex]\forall[/tex]x[tex]\epsilon[/tex]R}
E[tex]\cap[/tex]O= {f[tex]\epsilon[/tex]v | f(x)= 0, [tex]\forall[/tex]x[tex]\epsilon[/tex]R}
E[tex]\cap[/tex]O= {0} (f(x) =0 is the zero function)

what do you think?

Not bad. But it depends on how anal your prof is.
I think you might want to use contradiction just to be safe here. (Someone else please tell me if they disagree).

We have that the zero function is in O and E by (a). Now assume that there is another function in the intersection which is NOT equal to the zero function. Then show that is is incorrect by your argument above.

that seems the safest way.
 

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