Is the MRI Signal Highest When Protons Are Coherent or Dephasing?

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The discussion centers around the behavior of protons in an MRI Spin Echo sequence, specifically regarding the timing of the MRI signal in relation to proton coherence and dephasing. Participants explore the implications of RF pulse sequences on signal strength and magnetization states.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether the MRI signal is highest when protons are coherent or when they are dephasing.
  • Another participant asserts that the signal is highest at TE, indicating that this occurs when protons are in coherence.
  • A participant introduces a related concept from STIR sequences, questioning the behavior of Mz and Mxy magnetization states when Mz is at zero.
  • There is a request for clarification on the movement of Mz after a 90-degree RF pulse, particularly whether it returns to -Mz or remains in the transverse plane.
  • A later reply confirms that Mxy can also be zero when Mz is zero, suggesting this is foundational to magnetization preparation techniques.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the timing of the highest MRI signal, with some asserting coherence is necessary while others explore related concepts without reaching a consensus.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved questions about the assumptions regarding magnetization states and the specific conditions under which the signal is measured, particularly in relation to the STIR sequence.

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I would like to ask a question about MRI Spin echo sequence. after first 90 degree RF pulse, the free induction decay occurs. And 180degree refocusing pulse is given again. And echo signal is obtained at TE. My question is that is the the signal highest when the protons are back again in coherence or when they are dephasing again?
 
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yephonethaw said:
My question is that is the the signal highest when the protons are back again in coherence or when they are dephasing again?
The signal is the highest at TE, which is when they are in coherence.
 
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In STIR, 90 degree read out pulse is given at Time to inversion TI( short TI) where the Mz of fat tissue is zero(null point). After giving 90 defree pulse ,Mz is transferred to Mxy plane and since Mz is zero, can Mxy be also zero?

<< Mentor Note -- related question merged into the OP's existing thread >>
 
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I don't understand the highlighted words and the figure.When 90degree RF pulse is given, is Mz which is zero moved back to -Mz or still staying at transverse magnetization plane?
 

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yephonethaw said:
After giving 90 defree pulse ,Mz is transferred to Mxy plane and since Mz is zero, can Mxy be also zero?
Yes, that is the basis of most magnetization preparation techniques.
 

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