Is the number of strings constant?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of whether the number of strings in string theory is conserved, akin to conservation laws in physics such as those for matter and energy. Participants explore implications of string theory on the nature of matter and energy over time, including the formation of elements and the role of strings during different cosmic epochs.

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  • Some participants question whether the number of strings is conserved, with one stating that strings can split and fuse, suggesting a dynamic nature of strings.
  • Others challenge the idea of strings having no dimensions, arguing that mass requires three-dimensional measurements, and express confusion over how one-dimensional strings can possess mass and energy.
  • A participant mentions that strings can represent both matter and energy, and can transition between these states, referencing Hawking radiation as an example.
  • There is a discussion about the timeline of element formation, with one participant noting that elements formed after inflation and suggesting that some elements may have always existed in a cyclical universe model.
  • Several participants engage in a debate about the nature of mass and dimensions, with references to the Dirac delta function and point-like particles, leading to further questions about the implications for string theory.

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Participants express multiple competing views regarding the conservation of strings and the dimensionality of strings in relation to mass. The discussion remains unresolved, with no consensus reached on these topics.

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Participants highlight limitations in understanding the dimensionality of strings and the implications for mass, indicating a need for further clarification on these concepts. The discussion also reflects varying levels of familiarity with advanced mathematical concepts relevant to string theory.

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Hi,

Can someone please tell me if current versions of string theory assume (or perhaps result in) a conservation of the number of strings in the universe? Just like conservation of matter and energy.

If my lunch is made up of tiny vibrating strings, was it the same strings that existed during, say, the period of inflation in the early universe? If they just filled a different role back then.

Also, can string theory explain such changes in matter and energy over long periods of time? The formation of new elements, new molecules, DNA, etc.

Thanks
 
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The number of strings is not conserved. One string may split into two strings, just as two strings may fuse into one.
 
Demystifier said:
The number of strings is not conserved. One string may split into two strings, just as two strings may fuse into one.

so vibrating strings of infinet volume and no demention can be spit and join together? and if so how can you "spit" something that has no dementions? or for that mater how can they join together if there litrally nothing. 0+0 is still 0 not 1 and vise versa... your answer causes more questions then answers.
 
so vibrating strings of infinet volume and no demention

Where did you read this. Have you a reliable source?

Strings typically have one dimension, and branes are two dimensional.

As posted above, there is no conservation of strings.

You can think of it this way: strings constitute both matter and energy (like radiation)...and than can morph from one to the other...by breaking apart and combining...for example, Hawking radiation can be thought of as a string segment (a loop, a twist) breaking away from the horizon...
 
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If my lunch is made up of tiny vibrating strings, was it the same strings that existed during, say, the period of inflation in the early universe?

The elements actually formed after the period of inflation...during inflation whatever matter may have existed was likely ionized...and remained so until about 380,000 years after the big bang...elements up to iron are created in stars, but heavier elements require supernvoa explosions...

If you subscribe to the never ending universe, for example the Turok-Steinhardt model, then I think many if not all of the elements have always been here...perhaps subject to formation via stars and supernova...
 
Naty1 said:
You can think of it this way: strings constitute both matter and energy (like radiation)...and than can morph from one to the other...by breaking apart and combining...for example, Hawking radiation can be thought of as a string segment (a loop, a twist) breaking away from the horizon...

what kind of energy? It can't both have mass and energy if the strings have only one demention, mass is a three dimensional mesurement of lenth, width, and height. in order to have mass you need all three dimentions. you can not say that a two demention plane has mass because it is infintly thin. as enstine showed mass and energy are the same without one you can't have the other
 
awhalen said:
what kind of energy? It can't both have mass and energy if the strings have only one demention, mass is a three dimensional mesurement of lenth, width, and height. in order to have mass you need all three dimentions. you can not say that a two demention plane has mass because it is infintly thin. as enstine showed mass and energy are the same without one you can't have the other

Have you ever heard about the Dirac delta function? I guess not ... :rolleyes:
 
awhalen said:
what kind of energy? It can't both have mass and energy if the strings have only one demention, mass is a three dimensional mesurement of lenth, width, and height. in order to have mass you need all three dimentions. you can not say that a two demention plane has mass because it is infintly thin. as enstine showed mass and energy are the same without one you can't have the other

Mass does not require dimension. Take for example the electron, it is a pointlike particle and hence have no spatial dimensions but it does have a mass.
 
kaksmet said:
Mass does not require dimension. Take for example the electron, it is a pointlike particle and hence have no spatial dimensions but it does have a mass.

if it is "pointlike" but not a point then just becuase its consitered a point does not mean it is. i still hold the same thought mass is a mesurement of three dimentions. in your next post if you disagree with this geive a reliable source.
 
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awhalen said:
if it is "pointlike" but not a point then just becuase its consitered a point does not mean it is. i still hold the same thought mass is a mesurement of three dimentions. in your next post if you disagree with this geive a reliable source.
Someone who never heard about the Dirac delta function could not understand such a source. If you want me to give you such a source, please convince me that you understand the Dirac delta function.
 
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Demystifier said:
Someone who never heard about the Dirac delta function could not understand such a source. If you want me to give you such a source, please convince me that you understand the Dirac delta function.

the dirac delta funtion, to my understanding, is that it is zero everywhere but at zero this is all i know about it though i am only 17 and would like to learn if you would EXPLAIN what it is and not just shoving me to the side like a wothless piece of knowledge. how can it be zero every where but at zero and in what way dose it aply to string threoy? if you could send your reply in a private message.
 

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