Is the odd root of an even number always an irrational number?

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The discussion centers on whether the odd root of an even number is always an irrational number, exploring examples and mathematical reasoning related to this question. Participants examine specific cases, provide equations, and analyze the properties of even and odd roots.

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question if the odd root of an even number is always irrational, using examples like the 7th root of 128, which is 2.
  • Others argue that there are exceptions, noting that odd roots of certain even numbers can yield integers, such as ##\sqrt[3]{64}## and ##\sqrt[3]{216}##.
  • A participant presents an equation involving even numbers and odd roots, suggesting that if ##r/s## is a reduced fraction, then all prime factors of the even number must be in the numerator, leading to conclusions about the nature of the roots.
  • Some assert that taking any even number to an odd power results in an even number, and thus its odd root is the original number.
  • Another participant states that an integer power of a rational number that is not an integer cannot yield an integer, reinforcing the idea that odd roots of even numbers can be integers.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus; multiple competing views remain regarding the nature of odd roots of even numbers, with some asserting they can be rational while others maintain they are irrational.

Contextual Notes

Participants express various assumptions about the nature of roots and integers, and the discussion includes unresolved mathematical steps and definitions related to rational and irrational numbers.

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Is the odd root of an even number always an irrational number?
Is the odd root of an even number always an irrational number? For example the 7th root or the 11th root, etc. of an even number.
 
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What about the even number 128? the 7th root is 2.
 
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What is ##128##?
 
jedishrfu said:
What about the even number 128? the 7th root is 2.
Is 2 the only exception?
 
You have the equation $$N:=2n=\left(\dfrac{r}{s}\right)^{2m+1}$$ to solve. This means $$2ns^{2m+1}=r^{2m+1}$$ so ##r## has to be even. Since we can assume that ##r/s## is a canceled fraction, we also may conclude that all prime factors of ##n## occur in ##r##. This yields $$s^{2m+1}=\dfrac{r^{2m+1}}{2n}=\dfrac{r}{2n}r^{2m}.$$ By assumption, no prime factor of ##s## divides ##r,## so ##s=1## and all solutions are $$N=r^{2m+1}$$ with even ##r.##
 
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e2m2a said:
Is 2 the only exception?
Of course not consider every even or odd positive integer to the 7th power will be its own 7th root.
 
e2m2a said:
Is the odd root of an even number always an irrational number?
No.
Consider ##\sqrt[3]{64}, \sqrt[3]{216}## and many others, including 5th, 7th, and higher odd roots.

Notice that ##\sqrt[2n+1]{m^{2n+1}} = m##, where m and n are positive integers, and m could be even or odd.
 
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Looks trivial - no. Take any even number to odd power. It will be even and its odd root will be number you started with.
 
mathman said:
Looks trivial - no. Take any even number to odd power. It will be even and its odd root will be number you started with.
And I have proven that this is the only possible case.
 
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Nothing special about odd or even here.

An integer power of a rational number that's not an integer is not an integer. This is easy to see if the number is written as a/b with coprime a,b. No power of a will ever cancel with b.
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An integer root of an integer is either an integer or irrational.
 

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