Is the Phase-Space of a Bouncing Ball a Straight Line?

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The discussion revolves around the phase-space representation of a bouncing ball, specifically examining the trajectory in a system where the ball bounces elastically between two walls. The original poster explores the implications of constant energy and momentum conservation in this context.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • The original poster attempts to establish whether the phase-space trajectory of the ball is a straight line, considering its elastic interactions with the walls. Participants discuss modifications to this model when considering inelastic collisions and the behavior of momentum during these interactions.

Discussion Status

Participants have engaged in a productive exchange, affirming the original poster's understanding of the elastic case while also exploring the implications of inelastic collisions. There is recognition of the differences in phase-space behavior under varying conditions, although no consensus has been reached on the specifics of the inelastic scenario.

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Participants reference homework constraints, including the need to consider both elastic and inelastic collisions, and the implications of energy loss in the latter case. The discussion includes assumptions about the time intervals involved in these interactions.

Sekonda
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Hey,

The phase-space, a graph of momentum against position, shows a trajectory of a particular system and any point on this trajectory gives a microstate of a particular macrostate; given the Energy of the system is constant... I think this is roughly true, correct me where I'm wrong please!

However the question concerns a ball bouncing between two walls placed at positions ±q, the ball interacts elastically with the walls and travels at a constant velocity. Therefore the energy is constant and magnitude of the momentum is conserved.

So I reckon the Phase-Space of such a system would simply be a straight line from -q to +q at a particular momentum p and also the same line at -p (for the ball bouncing back in the opposite direction)

Would this be correct? If not any help would be appreciated!

Cheers,
Tom
 
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Yes, your description is correct. :smile:
 
Woo! I like being correct, Thanks!
 
You're welcome!

If you'd like to take it a step farther, think about how the phase-space diagram is modified for a deformable ball: when it hits the wall, it actually slows to a stop down over a short distance, then rebounds (speeds up over the same short distance) with the same velocity.
 
Hmm that may be similar to the next problem on my work sheet which asks to consider inelastic collisions.

Would the phase-space trajectory, over the short distance, rapidly decline to a zero momentum and then rapidly rise to the same momentum but negative (or opposite sign)?
 
Sekonda said:
Hmm that may be similar to the next problem on my work sheet which asks to consider inelastic collisions.

Would the phase-space trajectory, over the short distance, rapidly decline to a zero momentum and then rapidly rise to the same momentum but negative (or opposite sign)?
Yes. So those two horizontal line segments would be connected.

Inelastic conditions are a different question though.
 
Cool, in the inelastic condition it's losing energy and assumed to be over an infinitesimally small time interval - so I think we just get lines from -q to +q which occur over a number of momenta values that are ever decreasing.
 
Yup, you got it.
 
Cheers man, thank again!
 

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