Is the Photonic Laser Thruster the Future of Space Travel?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the potential of the photonic laser thruster as a future technology for space travel. Participants explore its theoretical applications, efficiency, and limitations, as well as its feasibility for terrestrial vehicles.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants highlight the potential for the photonic laser thruster to provide thrust without carrying propellant mass, raising questions about efficiency and scalability to kiloNewtons.
  • One participant suggests the possibility of using the thruster in vehicles, questioning if it could be adapted for terrestrial use.
  • Concerns are raised regarding the limitations of using nuclear fuel as a power source due to the weight and radioactivity of reactors.
  • Another participant discusses the technical challenges of maintaining precise alignment for effective operation, noting that large and precise optics are necessary for the thruster's function.
  • Some argue that a traditional light sail might be more effective due to its larger target area and lower mass, despite potentially lower acceleration.
  • The role of the power source being stationary is mentioned, with implications for the need for propellant for orbital corrections.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a mix of enthusiasm and skepticism regarding the feasibility and practicality of the photonic laser thruster, with no consensus reached on its applications or limitations.

Contextual Notes

Discussions include unresolved questions about the efficiency of power coupling, the scalability of thrust, and the practical challenges of alignment and optics in the implementation of the thruster.

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DARPA, NASA, JPL and various aerospace giants are rushing to learn more about a massless thruster developed by Dr Young Bae:

http://www.eetimes.com/news/latest/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=201804852

http://www.photonics.com/content/news/2007/September/7/88894.aspx

At the claimed milliNewtons of thrust, it may be applicable for orbital maneuvering. However, the claim is also being made that it could be scaled up to deliver kiloNewtons of thrust, given enough power (from a nuclear reactor, for example)

Wow, that would be pretty amazing, not to have to carry propellant mass with you. But I wonder how efficient the power coupling/conversion is? What are the limitations on how far it can be scaled up? Are kiloNewtons really possible?

And of course, is this phenomenon really legitimate?
I'd really like to hear comments/feedback.
 
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can't we use this photonic laser thruster in vehicles... i mean can't you build a car working on this concept?
 
sanman said:
...not to have to carry propellant mass with you.

The propellant mass is nuclear fuel (last sentence of the eet article) Now that's a limitation (reactors are heavy and radioactive).
 
ahmedtmedhat said:
can't we use this photonic laser thruster in vehicles... i mean can't you build a car working on this concept?

If you don't mind being restricted to moving along a perfectly straight line, clear of obstacles and without anything to jostle the vehicle and interfere with alignment with the multi-gigawatt laser pointed at you. If this is so, then yes, you could build a car working on this concept.

This is essentially just a laser sail craft, with additional optics that bounce the light back at the "sail" so it reflects off multiple times. The multiple reflections within the cavity formed by the emitter and payload do increase the outward thrust on both. Alignment has to be very precisely maintained as the payload moves away, and the size and precision requirements of the reflecting elements will limit the distance at which this works...diffraction limits require large optics, large and high precision optics will tend to be heavy, large and lightweight optics won't be precise enough to manage multiple bounces. A plain old light sail might work better, due to being a bigger target that can be hit at longer range, while being far lower mass. Acceleration will be lower, but can be kept up for a longer time.

The power source is nuclear and nuclear reactors are heavy, but the power source is essentially stationary. Mass on the laser end just reduces the recoil accelerations and let's you go longer between corrections to the launch platform's orbit. Those corrections do require propellant, but the launch platform doesn't go anywhere, it stays put where it can easily be reached for propellant resupply.
 

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