Is the Real Field the Only Complete Ordered Field?

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The discussion centers on the uniqueness of the real field as the only complete ordered field, exploring definitions of completeness and the implications of order-preserving field isomorphisms. Participants reference proofs and definitions related to this mathematical concept.

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  • One participant seeks a proof that the real field is the only complete field up to order-preserving field isomorphism.
  • Another participant mentions that Spivak's Calculus contains a sketch of a proof for this result.
  • A participant outlines an informal argument involving the identification of rationals in a field F with those in R, proposing a mapping that could demonstrate an order-preserving isomorphism.
  • Another participant questions the definition of completeness being used in the discussion.
  • One participant specifies that they are referring to order-completeness, noting that metric-complete ordered fields are not unique.
  • A participant states that the uniqueness proof relies on the field being archimedean and mentions that least upper bound complete fields are automatically archimedean.
  • A link is provided to a discussion of both existence and uniqueness in relation to complete ordered fields.

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Participants express differing views on the definitions of completeness and the implications for uniqueness, indicating that multiple competing views remain in the discussion.

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There are unresolved assumptions regarding the definitions of completeness and the implications of archimedean properties on uniqueness. The discussion also reflects varying levels of formality in the arguments presented.

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I was looking for a proof of the fact that the real field is the only complete field up to order preserving field isomorphism under field addition and multiplication and the standard linear ordering defined on ℝ. I haven't been able to find a link online. Could someone perhaps provide me with one?

Thanks!

BiP
 
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I don't know about online proofs, but Spivak's Calculus contains a sketch of a proof of this result in one of the appendices.
 
The argument is pretty simple. Let F be such a field and notice that any such field necessarily contains a copy of Q. So we have a way of identifying the rationals in F with the rationals in R. Then you can map this guy into the reals as follows:
  1. For each element x in F let Ax be the collection of rationals in F that are less than x.
  2. Define f(x) = sup Ax where the supremum is taken in R. We can do this because of the identification I mentioned before.
So now we have a map f:F→R and it is pretty easy to show that it is an order-preserving isomorphism. If this all seems horribly informal to you, then you can make the identifications I made explicit and the argument goes through just the same, I am just way too lazy to do that.
 
jgens said:
The argument is pretty simple. Let F be such a field and notice that any such field necessarily contains a copy of Q. So we have a way of identifying the rationals in F with the rationals in R. Then you can map this guy into the reals as follows:
  1. For each element x in F let Ax be the collection of rationals in F that are less than x.
  2. Define f(x) = sup Ax where the supremum is taken in R. We can do this because of the identification I mentioned before.
So now we have a map f:F→R and it is pretty easy to show that it is an order-preserving isomorphism. If this all seems horribly informal to you, then you can make the identifications I made explicit and the argument goes through just the same, I am just way too lazy to do that.

I see! Thanks!
What definition of completeness are you using?

BiP
 
Order-completeness. Metric-complete ordered fields are actually not unique.
 
the uniqueness proof uses the fact the field is archimedean. least upper bound complete fields are automatically archimedean. otherwise you can prove any complete archimedean ordered field is unique.here is a link to a discussion of both existence and uniqueness.

http://math.caltech.edu/~ma108a/defreals.pdf
 
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