Is the Real World Deterministic or Indeterministic?

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The discussion centers on the debate over whether the real world is deterministic or indeterministic, with participants exploring the implications of quantum mechanics and philosophical perspectives. Determinism suggests that identical initial conditions lead to the same outcomes, yet quantum mechanics introduces randomness that challenges this notion. The conversation highlights the metaphysical nature of determinism, noting that it cannot be conclusively proven or disproven through experiments. Participants also discuss the complexities of cause and effect, questioning how true randomness can exist within a deterministic framework. Ultimately, the dialogue reflects the ongoing philosophical inquiry into the nature of reality and the limits of scientific understanding.
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apeiron said:
No, more like a lot of vanity given that the Apeiron was the first model of a vague beginning!

Perhaps it would be considered contradictory (!), but as far as I understand Heidegger and Derrida, I think they take such notions much further, in better directions.
 
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VikingF said:
If random quantum fluctuations happened 13.7 billion years ago, then it could just as easily happen today, couldn't it?

This doesn't directly answer your question, but does describe how some scientists are viewing the multiverse and our ability to comprehend it.http://www.technologyreview.com/blog/arxiv/24239/
 
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fuzzyfelt said:
Perhaps it would be considered contradictory (!), but as far as I understand Heidegger and Derrida, I think they take such notions much further, in better directions.

Any references to what you are thinking about here? I've not come across vagueness-related approaches with these guys. In modern times, Peirce did the most developing (while Russell was the most vigorous at arguing against).
 
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Sorry, nothing particularly expressed as ‘vague’, but I was just thinking that there are some similarities that may or may not be helpful.

As far as I understand, following some of Heidegger’s ideas, Derrida writes of ‘differance’, where dichotomies exist in the blur of their boundaries.

A critical method encouraging plural interpretations, investigating hierarchies of antinomies, supplements, paradoxes, etc., suggests this is undermined by ‘irreducible incompleteness’, ‘originary synthesis’, a changing ‘aporia’ of potential, an ‘unresolvable indetermination’ of meaning. I said contradictory for various reasons, including that this is argued against ‘logocentrism'.

With some view to the topic, Deconstruction may be regarded as anti-determinist, but inevitable uncertainty has been mentioned.
 
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