Is The Selfish Gene Still Relevant in Evolutionary Science Today?

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The discussion centers around the relevance of Richard Dawkins' book "The Selfish Gene" in contemporary evolutionary science. Participants explore its standing in terms of evidence, its suitability as an introductory text, and its impact on both popular science and scientific discourse.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the evidence supporting the ideas in "The Selfish Gene" and seeks opinions from trained biologists and scientific reviews.
  • Another participant suggests starting with a textbook rather than popular science books, expressing a lack of personal preference for Dawkins' work.
  • A different participant emphasizes that "The Selfish Gene" is not an introductory text and cites a review in Nature that highlights its historical significance in explaining genomic concepts.
  • One participant recommends "The Ancestor's Tale" as a better alternative for understanding evolution, noting that "The Selfish Gene" primarily focuses on genes and DNA rather than evolution itself.
  • Another participant expresses a positive view of "The Selfish Gene," recommending it as a general read, especially in its updated editions that reflect changes in the field.
  • A participant acknowledges the book's illuminating perspective for those with a foundational understanding of evolution and suggests pairing it with "The Major Transitions in Evolution" for a deeper exploration of evolutionary concepts.
  • One participant points out that Dawkins introduced the concept of the meme in "The Selfish Gene," which has influenced cultural discussions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of opinions about the book's relevance and suitability as an introductory text, indicating that multiple competing views remain. There is no consensus on whether it is a worthwhile read for beginners in evolutionary science.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note that "The Selfish Gene" may not serve as a comprehensive introduction to evolution, and there are differing opinions on its impact and relevance in light of contemporary scientific understanding.

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I'm thinking of getting this book as one of my proper introductory reads to evolution but I have one burning question: How does Prof Dawkins' book stand in terms of evidence? Are most of the ideas put forth in the book still standing strong today and most importantly, is it a worthwhile read?

It would be nice to have sources supporting your opinions (i.e reviews in scientific journals, research papers) and it'd be even nicer to have trained biologists providing opinions. A very big thank you to anyone who takes the time.
 
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It would be more worth your while to start with a textbook instead of popular science books. I'm not partial to his work myself.
 
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I'm thinking of getting this book as one of my proper introductory reads to evolution but I have one burning question: How does Prof Dawkins' book stand in terms of evidence? Are most of the ideas put forth in the book still standing strong today and most importantly, is it a worthwhile read?

It would be nice to have sources supporting your opinions (i.e reviews in scientific journals, research papers) and it'd be even nicer to have trained biologists providing opinions. A very big thank you to anyone who takes the time.
This is not an introduction to evolution.

From a review in Nature
“Dawkins's ideas helped to explain what was going on inside genomes long before DNA sequencing became routine.”

http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v529/n7587/full/529462a.html

If you do not understand evolution, we have a link here you should read to introduce yourself before getting into something more advanced that you may not be able to understand.

https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/learn-about-evolution-evolution-introduction.543950/
 
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'The Ancestor's Tale' would be a much better book if you want to understand evolution. I read it a couple of years ago and I thought it was very good,.

"The Selfish Gene" is not really about evolution as such; as far as I remember it mainly focuses on genes and DNA (It must be 20+ years since I read it).
Nor is it "only" a pop-sci book; it is one of very few books aimed at the general public (sort of) that also had impact on "proper" science. People sometimes forget that Dawkin's was (and perhaps is) not only a successful pop-sci author but also quite an influential scientist.
 
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I highly recommend the book - not as a scientific textbook, but as a general read. The copy I read a few year ago was an updated edition, and it looks like Dawkins recently released a 40th anniversary edition in 2016. In the updated editions, there are footnotes and prologues etc. that discuss how the field has changed since the original publication.
 
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I like The Selfish Gene a lot, but as was stated above, it is not a beginner's book on evolution.
If you already have a introductory understanding of evolutionary concepts, it can be very illuminating as an alternative way of thinking of these things.

In my mind this book could be usefully paired with The Major Transitions in Evolution (John Maynard Smith and Eörs Szathmáry), another very interesting advanced (good to already have some evolution in your background) book on evolution. This book considers how the levels of selection and information control of evolving entities changed significantly as evolution generated greater complexity. Selfish Gene concepts make sense within the view of this book.

Interestingly (to me anyway), in The Selfish Gene, Dawkins also proposed another interesting and influential concept: the meme. A conceptual thing with properties which promotes its propagation in cultural space.
 
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