Is the Solution sin(t)H(t) for SHO a Particular Solution?

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The discussion revolves around the characterization of the solution ##x(t) = \sin(t)H(t)## for the differential equation ##x(t)'' + x(t) = \delta(t)##, specifically whether it is a particular solution or part of a general solution. Participants explore the implications of initial conditions and the role of Green's functions in this context.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant asserts that the solution ##\sin(t)H(t)## is a particular solution and questions whether the general solution can be expressed as ##x = A\cos(t) + B\sin(t) + H(t)\sin(t)## if the system is not assumed to be at rest.
  • Another participant emphasizes the importance of causal Green's functions, which reflect the impulse effect only after it occurs, and their role in adapting to initial conditions.
  • A participant references a general solution for a different equation, ##q''(t) + q(t) = f(t)##, suggesting that if the Green's function were a general solution, the homogeneous terms would not be necessary.
  • One participant argues that defining the Green's function to be zero before the impulse prevents the addition of a homogeneous solution, as this would conflict with the required initial conditions.
  • Another participant concludes that the Green's function serves only as a particular solution and that a homogeneous part must be explicitly added to achieve the most general solution.
  • A later reply notes that the time interval for the Green's function typically does not extend to minus infinity and that initial conditions can be managed through boundary terms.

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Participants express differing views on whether the solution ##\sin(t)H(t)## is a particular solution or part of a general solution. There is no consensus on the implications of Green's functions and their relationship to initial conditions.

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Participants discuss the implications of initial conditions and the definitions of Green's functions, which may affect the characterization of solutions. The discussion highlights the complexity of determining the nature of solutions in the context of differential equations.

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So we have derived that for the differential equation:

##x(t)''+x(t)=\delta(t)##

The solution is given by ##x=sin(t)H(t)## where ##H## is the Heaviside function.

To find this we assumed that the system was in rest before ##t=0## and that position and velocity are continious.

QUESTION: I am pretty sure that this ##sin(t)H(t)## is just a particular solution, is it correct to say that if one doesn't assume that the system in rest the general solution is given by ##x=Acos(t)+Bsin(t)+H(t)sin(t)##? So basically, is the solution we found in class a particular solution and thus can I always add a homogeneous solution to it?
 
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Yes, but generally you will want your Green's functions to be causal, i.e., the effect of the impulse only shows after the impulse. This is also required for using the Green's function to adapt to homogeneous initial conditions (you can also use it for inhomogeneous initial conditions using a Green's function fulfilling homogeneous initial conditions, but that is another story).
 
The reason I was asking is that for a problem of type ##q''(t)+q(t)=f(t)## we wrote down the general solution as :

##q(t)=Acos(t)+Bsin(t) + \int_{-\infty}^{+\infty} G(t-t') f(t') dt'## (1)

If the green's function was not strictly a particular solution but a general solution to ##q''(t)+q(t)=\delta(t)## then the ##Acos(t)+Bsin(t)## term wouldn't be required because it would implictly be sitting in the integral.
 
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Well, since you would typically define your Green's function to be zero before the impulse, it would not be a matter of having the possibility to add any homogeneous solution (this would mess with the initial conditions required from the Green's function). If you have enough initial conditions, you cannot add things in that manner and the Green's function typically comes with enough initial conditions to determine it uniquely. You cannot add a homogeneous solution to it because this would violate the initial conditions imposed on the Green's function.
 
And hence, Green's function is only a particular solution to the ##q''(t)+q(t)=\delta{t}## problem, and thus in equation (1) above the integral is only a linear combination of particular solutions and so, I have to explictly add the homogenous part to make it most general. I think I get it thanks.
 
Yes, also note that your time interval would usually not be from minus infinity, but you would impose some initial conditions at a fixed time. These can also be taked care of with the Green's function, using it to describe boundary terms.
 

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