Is the sum of all primes = 13?

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The discussion revolves around the claim that the sum of all prime numbers equals 13, using unconventional summation techniques and mathematical reasoning. Participants explore the implications of p-adic valuations, analytic continuation, and the convergence of series, particularly in the context of prime numbers.

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  • One participant presents a derivation suggesting that the sum of all primes equals 13, based on a series manipulation involving Ramanujan and Euler's summation techniques.
  • Another participant points out potential flaws in the reasoning, specifically regarding the double counting of certain numbers in the summation process.
  • Some participants argue that p-adic valuations are not appropriate for this series and suggest using an alternate definition of summation, such as the function f(s) = ∑_p p^s.
  • Concerns are raised about the convergence of the series, with one participant noting that the series diverges for Re(s) > 1 and requires analytic continuation for proper evaluation.
  • There is a discussion on the relationship between the convergence of the Riemann zeta function and the sum of primes, with some participants expressing uncertainty about the mechanics of analytic continuation.

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Participants express differing views on the validity of the initial claim that the sum of all primes equals 13, with some supporting the reasoning and others challenging it. The discussion remains unresolved, with multiple competing perspectives on the appropriate methods for summing primes.

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Limitations include the dependence on unconventional summation techniques and the unresolved nature of the convergence criteria for the series involving primes. The discussion also highlights the complexity of analytic continuation and its implications for series evaluation.

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I posted this to Dr. Math but I'm too excited to wait for their response.

OK, so start with the following equation, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1_+_2_+_3_+_4_+_…#Summability" by Ramanujan and Euler:

1 + 2 + 3 + 4 + ... = -1/12

Weird, yes, but there are http://planetmath.org/encyclopedia/PAdicValuation.html" under which these kinds of expressions are meaningful.

OK, so let's call the series s:

s = 1 + 2 + 3 + 4 + 5 + 6 + 7 + 8 + 9 + 10 + ...

Now, we can gather all multiples of 2 into one term:

s = 1 + 2s + 3 + 5 + 7 + 9 + 11 + ...

Similarly, we can gather all multiples of 3:

s = 1 + 2s + 3s + 5 + 7 + 11 + ...

Continue sieving this way in a manner similar to Eratosthenes until you have:

s = 1 + s * ( sum{all primes p} p )

Rearranging:

(s - 1) / s = sum{all primes p} p

But since we already know the value of s = -1/12:

(-13/12) / (-1/12) = sum{all primes p} p

sum{all primes p} p = 13

QED

I see no flaw in my reasoning.

Clayton
 
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ClaytonB said:
I see no flaw in my reasoning.
You are adding numbers such as 6 and 15 twice, numbers such as 30 and 1001 three times, etc.
 
D H said:
You are adding numbers such as 6 and 15 twice, numbers such as 30 and 1001 three times, etc.

Crap. Oh well, so much for that.
 
p-Adic valuations don't help with a series like this. You need some sort of alternate definition of summation.

One rather typical way to give meaning to the sum of all primes is to consider the function

f(s) = \sum_p p^s​

The relevant facts I expect to be true are that this sum is well-defined and analytic for all complex s with Re(s) < -1.

Then, you use analytic continuation to extend it to as much of the complex plane as possible. With luck, it might even be a single-valued function!

(If you sum over all positive integers instead of just the primes, you get, more or less, the Riemann Zeta function)
 
Hurkyl said:
p-Adic valuations don't help with a series like this. You need some sort of alternate definition of summation.

One rather typical way to give meaning to the sum of all primes is to consider the function

f(s) = \sum_p p^s​

The relevant facts I expect to be true are that this sum is well-defined and analytic for all complex s with Re(s) < -1.

Then, you use analytic continuation to extend it to as much of the complex plane as possible. With luck, it might even be a single-valued function!

(If you sum over all positive integers instead of just the primes, you get, more or less, the Riemann Zeta function)

How come this doesn't diverge, even though s is complex? If Im(s) = 0, then it seems like it must be divergent.
 
ClaytonB said:
How come this doesn't diverge, even though s is complex? If Im(s) = 0, then it seems like it must be divergent.

It does diverge. The series requires Re(s) < -1 (for the Riemann zeta function, at least). For Re(s) > 1, analytic continuation is required, and the sum does not represent the function for the analytically continued region (although sometimes people speak as though the sum evaluates to the value given by the analytic continuation of the function).
 
Mute said:
It does diverge. The series requires Re(s) < -1 (for the Riemann zeta function, at least). For Re(s) > 1, analytic continuation is required, and the sum does not represent the function for the analytically continued region (although sometimes people speak as though the sum evaluates to the value given by the analytic continuation of the function).

Ah, I get it, when Re(s) < -1, it satisfies the criterion for convergence of the Riemann zeta function - yes, this is not the zeta function but I can see it's closely related to it - so there's probably a way to prove that "If Riemann zeta function converges at s then Sum p^s converges at -s". I'm pretty shaky on analytic continuation, I get the basic idea but don't understand the mechanics of it.

Clayton -
 

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