Is the Sun a low-mass star or a medium-mass star?

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The discussion revolves around the classification of the Sun as either a low-mass or medium-mass star, exploring the definitions and criteria used in different contexts. Participants examine the implications of these classifications in the context of stellar evolution and the characteristics of stars.

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  • Some participants note that the Sun is referred to as both a low-mass and medium-mass star in various texts, leading to confusion about the correct classification.
  • One participant suggests that low-mass and medium-mass are relative terms, indicating that definitions may vary based on context.
  • Another participant questions the accuracy of a high-mass star description, asserting that a 3-solar mass star would not end its life as a supernova, highlighting the complexity of stellar evolution based on mass.
  • A participant describes their teaching approach, categorizing stars into low-mass (ending as white dwarfs) and high-mass (ending as Type II supernovae), placing the Sun in the low-mass category.
  • One comment reflects on the relevance of the classification, suggesting that the Sun's position between the largest and smallest stars may not warrant significant concern over its classification.
  • Another participant mentions the Hertzsprung-Russell diagram, indicating that the Sun is positioned among stars that exhibit 'normal' behavior during their lifetimes.
  • It is noted that the choice of definition regarding stellar classification may depend on the purpose of the inquiry.
  • A participant introduces the concept of red dwarfs and their convection characteristics, adding a technical aspect to the discussion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the classification of the Sun, with no consensus reached on whether it should be categorized as a low-mass or medium-mass star. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of these classifications.

Contextual Notes

Definitions of low-mass and medium-mass stars vary significantly across sources, leading to ambiguity. The discussion highlights the dependence on criteria chosen for classification and the implications for stellar evolution.

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In many text, the Sun is referred to as a low-mass star, yet it is also referred to as a medium-mass (or intermediate-mass) star in some other text. Which one is "correct"? What is the range of low-mass vs medium-mass? Is it really just low-mass vs high-mass and that medium-mass is just the upper limit of the low-mass portion?

For example, here (https://www.le.ac.uk/se/centres/sci/selfstudy/eab4.htm) says low-mass stars are "stars with masses less than half the mass of the Sun". If this is true, then the Sun is technically medium-mass. However, here (https://sites.uAlberta.ca/~pogosyan/teaching/ASTRO_122/lect17/lecture17.html) says low-mass stars are between 0.4 MSun to 4 MSun, which means that the Sun is considered as low-mass.

Confusing.
 
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Low-mass and medium-mass are relative terms, it seems.
 
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The description of a high-mass star on the first web page seems wrong to me. I'm no expert in astronomy, but I'm fairly certain that a 3-solar mass star is not going to end its life as a supernova.

How a star evolves depends primarily on its mass. A low-mass star will evolve in one way while a high-mass star will evolve in a markedly different way. Depending on the criteria you choose to divide up stellar evolution, you can get different descriptions of what kinds of star qualify low mass, intermediate mass, and high mass.

When I teach ASTR 101, we divide up stars into two classes: low mass stars that will end their lives as a white dwarf and high-mass stars that will ultimately die as a Type II supernova. The Sun would fall into the first class.
 
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xoxo1001 said:
Which one is "correct"? What is the range of low-mass vs medium-mass?
With respect, who actually cares, except in a game of Top Trumps? The Sun is somewhere in between the very biggest and the very smallest stars. It is what it is and it does what it does and there is a load more of information about the Sun than about any others.
There are plenty of statistics around about millions / billions of stars that have been catalogued.
 
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sophiecentaur said:
The Sun is somewhere in between the very biggest and the very smallest stars.
I could have been more helpful there. The Hertsprung Russel diagram gives a graph of characteristics of all (most) of the stars that we have observed. I chose this image because it shows dots where (some) stars have been measured.
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The Sun can be seen near the middle of that line of stars which follow 'normal' behaviour during their lifetimes. They spend most of the time somewhere on this Main Sequence line so ,when you observe a load of stars, most of them will sit somewhere on this line. There is a general rule which says Big Stars are brighter than small ones. So the big ones are top left and the small ones are bottom right for most of their lives.
 
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xoxo1001 said:
In many text, the Sun is referred to as a low-mass star, yet it is also referred to as a medium-mass (or intermediate-mass) star in some other text. Which one is "correct"?
Usually, when more than one definition is available, the choice of which definition makes the most sense depends upon why you want to know.
 
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ohwilleke said:
which definition makes the most sense depends upon why you want to know
Just like top Trumps :wink:. Even an Austin Seven can win.
 
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Red dwarfs are main sequence stars. They have convection all the way to the core.

Some stars have a radiative zone and convection in the upper layers.

Larger stars the radiative zone extends to the surface.

Some huge stars are fully convective.
 
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