Is the Unit Square Bijective or Only Injective to the Real Line?

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The discussion revolves around the nature of a proposed function mapping the unit square S=[0,1]×[0,1] to the line L=[0,1]. Participants explore whether this function is a bijection or merely an injection, and whether the excluded points in L are countable.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes a function that maps points (a,b) in the unit square to a point c in the unit line using decimal representations, questioning whether this mapping is a bijection or only an injection.
  • Another participant references Hilbert curves, noting that while they are surjective, they are not injective, and expresses skepticism about the proposed construction's reliance on decimal representations.
  • A participant mentions that the construction has been suggested as proof of the equal cardinality of the unit interval and the unit square, but expresses concern over its simplicity and lack of formal reference.
  • One participant states that the function described is not continuous, which is relevant to the nature of bijections between compact spaces.
  • Another participant concludes that the absence of continuity does not prevent the function from demonstrating equal cardinality.
  • A participant discusses the countability of excluded points in L, suggesting that since they are represented as terminating decimal fractions, they are rational numbers and thus countable.
  • One participant indicates that the set of broken pairings in the mapping is at most countable, allowing for potential fixes to the mapping.
  • Another participant agrees that the notational details are unnecessary for their purposes and appreciates the clarification provided by others.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of the proposed mapping, particularly regarding its injectivity and continuity. There is no consensus on whether the function is a bijection or merely an injection, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of excluded points.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the function's reliance on decimal representations may obscure errors and that the mapping's continuity is not necessary for establishing equal cardinality. The discussion also highlights the potential for countable exclusions in the mapping.

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Is the following (or, the following after any minor errors are corrected) a bijection from the unit square S=[0,1]X[0,1] to the line L=[0,1], or only an injection? If only an injection, are the excluded points in L countable?

[1] Let L be identified with the set of real numbers r, 0 ≤ r ≤ 1, whereby r is in unique decimal form 0.r1r2r3... , whereby any representation as an infinite sequence 0.s1s2...snsn+100000..., where sn≠0 & n≥ 1, is excluded, as it is identified with 0.s1s2...(sn-1)99999... (0 remains 0.000...)

[2] Let each point in S be identified with the ordered pair (a,b), with a, b∈L ,
a = 0.a1a2a3... , and
b = 0.b1b2b3... ,

[3] Then the function is (a,b) to c, with c =0.a1b1a2b2a3b3... ,
that is, if c= 0.c1c2c3... then for n≥1 , n, c2n-1=an & c2n=bn.
(or, to put another way, if a = ∑i=1ai×10-i & b = ∑i=1bi×10-i, then c = ∑i=1(ai×10-2i+1 + bi×10-2i)

(Corrections in the details would be welcome.)
 
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It is a bit cumbersome to read without LaTeX tags, and probably also in general. Here is the Wikipedia page on Hilbert curves: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hilbert_curve. They are surjective but not injective.

Why are you interested in your specific construction? I don't like decimal representations in this contexts very much. They tend to hide errors and are in my opinion far too specific to represent real numbers. How does your construction look like without the reference to a discrete representation of a continuous object?
 
Thanks, fresh_42. I am familiar with space-filling curves, but I saw this construction in a couple of posts (but not in a scientific journal, hence I do not provide a reference) which offered it as a proof that the cardinality of the unit interval and the unit square were equal, and on the face of it, it seems to work, but its simplicity raises my suspicions. Hence I am checking on this forum.

Perhaps my use of notation was a bad idea, hence let me describe the function in words:
(a) for a point in the unit square (a,b), take the decimal expressions (but making a caveat for the cases such as 0.0999... = 0.1000...)
(b) construct a point c on the unit line for which the odd digits are from a, and the even digits are from b (with the same caveat).
(c) the function is f((a,b))=c for all (a,b) in the unit square.
 
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I saw this construction in a couple of posts (but not in a scientific journal, hence I do not provide a reference) which offered it as a proof that the cardinality of the unit interval and the unit square were equal, and on the face of it, it seems to work, but its simplicity raises my suspicions. Hence I am checking on this forum.
This is the standard example for showing a bijection from the unit square to the unit line. However, the function that describes this mapping is not continuous.
 
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Thanks very much, Mark44. That answers my question. :woot: To show equal cardinality, the bijection need not be continuous, so I am fine with its absence.
 
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Thanks very much, Mark44. That answers my question. :woot: To show equal cardinality, the bijection need not be continuous, so I am fine with its absence.
It would create a contradiction:Continuous bijection between compact and Hausdorff is a homeomorphism. One of the nice obscure results from pointset Topology.
 
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are the excluded points in L countable?

[1] Let L be identified with the set of real numbers r, 0 ≤ r ≤ 1, whereby r is in unique decimal form 0.r1r2r3... , whereby any representation as an infinite sequence 0.s1s2...snsn+100000..., where sn≠0 & n≥ 1, is excluded, as it is identified with 0.s1s2...(sn-1)99999... (0 remains 0.000...)
The elements of L all have representations as terminating decimal fractions. As such, they are all rational numbers. The rationals are, of course, countable. So any subset such as L is countable as well.

With a little hand-waving, this means that the set of broken pairings in the described mapping is at most countable. This in turn opens the way for a "slide-everything-down-by-one" style fixup to repair each occurrence of a missing or duplicate pairing.

Dotting the i's and crossing the t's on such a fix-up requires tedious and careful work, but is not very difficult or interesting.
 
Thanks, jbriggs444. That completes the answer; your answer is as much "dotting the i's and crossing the t's" as is necessary. The notational details are , for my purposes, unnecessary.

WWGD. Thanks for that detail (which is why I wasn't looking for continuity).
 

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