Is the Universe Really Spherical? And What Lies Beyond?

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The discussion revolves around the shape of the universe, specifically whether it is spherical or infinite, and what may exist beyond it. Participants explore concepts related to cosmology, including Einstein's theories and modern measurements of the universe's geometry.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants reference Einstein's idea of the universe being "finite but unbounded," likening it to the surface of a sphere, but note that this does not predict the universe's actual shape.
  • There is mention of modern discoveries suggesting a "flat" geometry for the universe, which could imply it is infinite, though this remains uncertain.
  • One participant questions whether it is generally accepted that a flat universe is likely infinite, suggesting that this idea aligns with the notion of both space and time being infinite.
  • Another participant counters that mainstream theory does not provide a clear consensus on the overall topology of the universe, only setting limits on its scale.
  • A link to a study regarding the Wilkinson Microwave Anisotropy Probe (WMAP) is provided, indicating ongoing research in cosmology.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the shape and topology of the universe, with some suggesting it is likely infinite if flat, while others emphasize the lack of consensus in mainstream theory regarding the universe's overall structure.

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There are limitations in the discussion regarding assumptions about the universe's shape and the implications of being finite or infinite. The conversation reflects ongoing debates in cosmology without resolving the uncertainties involved.

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From what i heard(from my brother by the way), Einstein once predicted that the universe is spherifical( i don't know if it is true or not), is the universe really spherical??

if so, then what lies outside our universe??
 
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Delzac said:
From what i heard(from my brother by the way), Einstein once predicted that the universe is spherifical( i don't know if it is true or not), is the universe really spherical??

if so, then what lies outside our universe??

Your brother oversimplified what Einstein thought. He thought the universe was "finite but unbounded", and an analogy for this is the surface of a sphere (such as the Earth) which has a finite area but has no boundary. Einstein's theory does not itself predict the shape of the universe, but modern discoveries and measurements suggest that in the large scale it has a "flat" geometry which would argue that it is infinite in extent, but nobody really knows.

It is not necessary to have anything "outside the universe" in either Einstein's original thought or the modern understanding. We are used to seeing spheres - balls - in three space but that is no reason to suppose the universe behaves that way, and the mathematics does just fine without it.
 
selfAdjoint said:
Your brother oversimplified what Einstein thought. He thought the universe was "finite but unbounded", and an analogy for this is the surface of a sphere (such as the Earth) which has a finite area but has no boundary. Einstein's theory does not itself predict the shape of the universe, but modern discoveries and measurements suggest that in the large scale it has a "flat" geometry which would argue that it is infinite in extent, but nobody really knows.

It is not necessary to have anything "outside the universe" in either Einstein's original thought or the modern understanding. We are used to seeing spheres - balls - in three space but that is no reason to suppose the universe behaves that way, and the mathematics does just fine without it.

So is it generally accepted that the universe is most likelly infinite if it is flat? It makes sense if this is true since it makes more sense for both space and time to be infinite rather than just time being infinite.

The universe being a threesphere is least likelly, correct?
 
Silverbackman said:
So is it generally accepted that the universe is most likelly infinite if it is flat?

No, mainstream theory says very little about the overall topology scale of the universe, other than to set limits on it (>~24 Gigaparsecs).
 

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